AM5 7800X3D Mobo dilemma, why do they all suck/overpriced!?

RBImGuy said:
a few things with mobos could be price is kept high as cpus for 2 or maybe 3 generations can be put there menaing no new mboard is needed in 2 to 3 years.
difficult to say if that is sustainable for a mobo manufacturer.
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You're not wrong, and that long term stability is one reason I'm willing to swallow the cost of the board. I'm paying now so's I don't have to buy another motherboard and do a full rebuild in 3 years if I want to upgrade the CPU.

However, that doesn't mean that the cost of components or manufacturing has increased... So it still feels like some kind of price fixing. Not sure products are meant to be priced based on a presumed refresh cycle because this encourages planned obsolescence and things being engineered to fail. (And it's not just AM5 motherboards of course, plenty of things are overpriced atm.)

I was debating whether I need pcie 5... probably not, really, I doubt I will ever buy higher than the xx70 graphics card bracket whether it be 4070 or 5070 or even a 6070. But at this point I've spent north of £1500 on this build, and the step from B650 to X670E was "only" about £80 of it. 6% more total cost to never worry about pcie bandwidth for the GPU, I guess sure.

I would on the whole have preferred boards with less m.2 built in, and more generic pcie slots with bifurcation so they run at x8 or x4 etc, depending on what's populated - why not let the user decide to buy a double m.2 riser card if they want one? But nothing in the mainstream seems to be taking that approach, and I need both my kidneys.
 
eddiew said:
You're not wrong, and that long term stability is one reason I'm willing to swallow the cost of the board. I'm paying now so's I don't have to buy another motherboard and do a full rebuild in 3 years if I want to upgrade the CPU.

However, that doesn't mean that the cost of components or manufacturing has increased... So it still feels like some kind of price fixing. Not sure products are meant to be priced based on a presumed refresh cycle because this encourages planned obsolescence and things being engineered to fail. (And it's not just AM5 motherboards of course, plenty of things are overpriced atm.)

I was debating whether I need pcie 5... probably not, really, I doubt I will ever buy higher than the xx70 graphics card bracket whether it be 4070 or 5070 or even a 6070. But at this point I've spent north of £1500 on this build, and the step from B650 to X670E was "only" about £80 of it. 6% more total cost to never worry about pcie bandwidth for the GPU, I guess sure.

I would on the whole have preferred boards with less m.2 built in, and more generic pcie slots with bifurcation so they run at x8 or x4 etc, depending on what's populated - why not let the user decide to buy a double m.2 riser card if they want one? But nothing in the mainstream seems to be taking that approach, and I need both my kidneys.
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Snap same here. Just give me two gen 5 nvme built in and pci-e slots with 4/4/4/4 bifurcation so i can add another 4 nvme if i want later. Would reduce the costs of the boards as people wouldnt be paying for stuff they dont want/need.

Same with boot code displays. You have to buy a mid/high range board just to get that now which means paying for stuff you perhaps dont want.

but like you i am still buying an x670e board for future proofing as i have upgraded my cpu and mobo more times for needing either the new gen slot/nvme support/ or higher speed usb. So I am figuring if i get a board full of pcie 5 slots and nvme slots and some usb4 then I wont be wanting to swap it for 6/7 years as if i want more raw power there will be two more generations of cpus i can upgrade to and I shouldnt need to swap baords because I suddenly need a spare gen 5pci-e or nvme slot.

Still disgusted at the prices though
 
I'm the opposite, I'd rather have m.2 slots than PCIe slots (other than the main one for the graphics card).
What I wish we could get away without having to pay for is WiFi, USB2 ports, on-board sound, SATA ports (or at least less of them), RGB anything.
 
is there anyway to know if "newer" incoming motherboards nowadays are being updated to the most recent bios? I recall one of the vendors 2 years ago stating that a motherboard came with the X version of the bios.
 
GoogalyMoogaly said:
I'm the opposite, I'd rather have m.2 slots than PCIe slots (other than the main one for the graphics card).
What I wish we could get away without having to pay for is WiFi, USB2 ports, on-board sound, SATA ports (or at least less of them), RGB anything.
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I'm with you on this. In order to get the board with the things I want I am paying for loads of things I wont use like the wifi, the entire on-board sound and all the sata and usb2 ports.

Hence why i am looking at £550 to £700 boards sadly
 
GoogalyMoogaly said:
I'm the opposite, I'd rather have m.2 slots than PCIe slots (other than the main one for the graphics card).
What I wish we could get away without having to pay for is WiFi, USB2 ports, on-board sound, SATA ports (or at least less of them), RGB anything.
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Thing is PCI slots are more versatile. NVME slots you can only put storage in. Some boards have 5 slots.

But if they have more pci-e slots with bifurcation then anything in the future can be added like soundcards/add on cards or nvme cards which can hold up to 4 nvme drives if storage is your bag.

If all the lanes are used up on nvme slots then future options are limited IMO.
 
Greebo said:
Thing is PCI slots are more versatile. NVME slots you can only put storage in. Some boards have 5 slots.

But if they have more pci-e slots with bifurcation then anything in the future can be added like soundcards/add on cards or nvme cards which can hold up to 4 nvme drives if storage is your bag.

If all the lanes are used up on nvme slots then future options are limited IMO.
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I get that, but I don't wanna be putting PCI-e cards in because of the GPU. Also if you're putting 4 Gen 4 NVMes on one PCIe board are you not going to be limiting the throughput?
Plus an add-in board is another expense.
Can't you connect most things via USB these days too?

I'm not saying don't have motherboard with lots of PCI-e, I'm just saying it's annoying we all have to buy boards with extra PCI-e slots on them. The amount of slight variations some manufacturers do, could they not do a few boards with lots of PCI-e and few/no m.2 slots and a few boards with few/no PCI-e and a bunch of decent m.2 slots?
 
Brizzles said:
I went with

Gigabyte B650 Aorus Pro AX​


not sure if it fits your exact req'ments


(£287.21)
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Did you notice any difference in temps when you updated the BIOS, or is it all your AIO? Or any improvements for that matter?

I've stayed on F5B since it came out. Was gonna go to F5 but the power tripped out and now I've completely lost the bottle :p
 
Stanners said:
I got an Asus strix B650E-E and the bios flashback worked first time with a 7800X3D in the socket. Used a clean USB drive with the bios on.
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Sorry to ask, I have this board and am waiting for everything else to be delivered. What was the process you followed and the advantage of not doing update bios in the menu.

This is my first build and I've never flashed a mobo.

Thanks
 
coly said:
Sorry to ask, I have this board and am waiting for everything else to be delivered. What was the process you followed and the advantage of not doing update bios in the menu.

This is my first build and I've never flashed a mobo.

Thanks
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Download the BIOS file from ASUS as a zip file

Extract all the contents to a formatted FAT32 USB drive

Insert USB drive into a back USB port ( don't use any front USB ports )

Reboot

F1 (?) or DEL to enter BIOS

Look for EZ flash in the BIOS menus

Follow the intructions from there ( it'll ask you to point to the BIOS file which will be called something like below. Ignore the BIOSrenamer. )

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Then just let the BIOS do its stuff, it might take a few minutes so do not interupt it

Watch this FIRST to better explain :

 
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From memory, download the latest bios and rename using the app on a formatted usb pen drive. Insert into the bios flashback usb port on the rear of the motherboard. With the system off, push the button on the back IO next to the usb port and a light flashes. When it stops flashing power on as normal. Sure it explains it better in the motherboard booklet!
 
You don't need to have a CPU socketed to bios flashback. I'd imagine it's safer too since there's less running that could crash.
I'm doing a new build this weekend, I expect I'll be performing a no-cpu flashback before putting everything together.
 
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