Amazed by the 6700k with 3080

Bazippy · 2 Feb 2021 at 07:37

Running a 6700k @4.7 with a 3080 1440p
I was all ready to upgrade this cpu once my 3080 arrived. Ive now tested it and cant believe how little cpu usage has moved on since i got it. It runs everything and the bottleneck is still the gpu. Rdr2 gpu at 80% hits 100% at time, cpu at 70%, Cyberpunk very similar. 60fps for both
The only thing it lets me down on is iracing where it just doesnt play nice with it, still manage 90hz vr i just know id benefit from more cpu power due to the way iracing struggles in places.
Was actually hoping it performed worse, got the itch to upgrade purely because of iracing, and my aio is on its last legs hitting 80c in rdr2 and stress test 100c within 3 minutes. Nothing has where it used to run at 60c, fresh thermal paste in the last 3 months to try and help.
Aio is no reason for an upgrade but was the plan to upgrade about now both the aio and cpu/mobo.
Toying with upgrading just for iracing only, cant believe how well the 6700k has aged.

q974739 · 2 Feb 2021 at 08:20

The 6600k didn't age nearly as well. Was going to be replaced... then was hit by lightning!

WiGgLr · 2 Feb 2021 at 10:57

Yeah, I have an i7-7700K @5.1 with a 3080 at 1440p, and other than the horribly optimised Watch Dogs Legion it's coping well with everything thrown at it. Triple figure FPS in games with out RTX, and well above 60 with RTXOn. I've come to the conclusion that upgrading MOBO/RAM/CPU isn't quite needed for me just yet, so I can probably last another generation or two.

Phil2008 · 2 Feb 2021 at 11:49

So my [email protected] will last 10+yrs if thats the case..... wowsers

Zeeflyboy · 2 Feb 2021 at 11:57

Bazippy said:
Running a 6700k @4.7 with a 3080 1440p
I was all ready to upgrade this cpu once my 3080 arrived. Ive now tested it and cant believe how little cpu usage has moved on since i got it. It runs everything and the bottleneck is still the gpu. Rdr2 gpu at 80% hits 100% at time, cpu at 70%, Cyberpunk very similar. 60fps for both
The only thing it lets me down on is iracing where it just doesnt play nice with it, still manage 90hz vr i just know id benefit from more cpu power due to the way iracing struggles in places.
Was actually hoping it performed worse, got the itch to upgrade purely because of iracing, and my aio is on its last legs hitting 80c in rdr2 and stress test 100c within 3 minutes. Nothing has where it used to run at 60c, fresh thermal paste in the last 3 months to try and help.
Aio is no reason for an upgrade but was the plan to upgrade about now both the aio and cpu/mobo.
Toying with upgrading just for iracing only, cant believe how well the 6700k has aged.

GPU at 80% is most likely you being CPU limited unless you have frame limits turned on - your CPU showing 70% usage doesn't mean it's not limiting as it can be any single thread hitting 100% causing the limit even while overall usage is below. (eg 8 threads, if 7 are unused by a game and the 1 thread the game does use is hitting 100% your CPU will show 12.5% usage yet still be the limiting factor.)

6700k is still a good CPU though. Only relatively few games would need anything more unless you're aiming for really high frame rates.... sims are a different story in general. I went from 6700k - 3900X and didn't gain much in most games, then recently went to 5800X and it makes a big difference in games like MSFS, ACC, DCS etc.

pc-guy · 2 Feb 2021 at 11:57

Your average frame rate will be ok. You lowest frame rate will be the issue. If you have a newer 6c cpu you will notice the difference.

quoting the famous Donald Rumsford “there are known knowns. These are the things we know we know. There are know unknowns. These are the things that we know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns. These are the things we don’t know we don’t know.”

you experience with your CPU and lack of with higher core count CPU would fall into the unknown unknowns.

Bazippy · 2 Feb 2021 at 11:58

WiGgLr said:
Yeah, I have an i7-7700K @5.1 with a 3080 at 1440p, and other than the horribly optimised Watch Dogs Legion it's coping well with everything thrown at it. Triple figure FPS in games with out RTX, and well above 60 with RTXOn. I've come to the conclusion that upgrading MOBO/RAM/CPU isn't quite needed for me just yet, so I can probably last another generation or two.

Im thinking of little upgrade to a 10600k, maybe 10700k or 11 series. Knowing itll last an age again. Mainly due to iracing but if it wasnt for that id run at least another year.

Bazippy · 2 Feb 2021 at 11:59

Phil2008 said:
So my [email protected] will last 10+yrs if thats the case..... wowsers

Its bizarre, i remember the old days when youd have to upgrade just to play the next game out, then a few months later the next game wouldnt even run (slight exageration)

humbug · 2 Feb 2021 at 13:15

Bazippy said:
Running a 6700k @4.7 with a 3080 1440p
I was all ready to upgrade this cpu once my 3080 arrived. Ive now tested it and cant believe how little cpu usage has moved on since i got it. It runs everything and the bottleneck is still the gpu. Rdr2 gpu at 80% hits 100% at time, cpu at 70%, Cyberpunk very similar. 60fps for both
The only thing it lets me down on is iracing where it just doesnt play nice with it, still manage 90hz vr i just know id benefit from more cpu power due to the way iracing struggles in places.
Was actually hoping it performed worse, got the itch to upgrade purely because of iracing, and my aio is on its last legs hitting 80c in rdr2 and stress test 100c within 3 minutes. Nothing has where it used to run at 60c, fresh thermal paste in the last 3 months to try and help.
Aio is no reason for an upgrade but was the plan to upgrade about now both the aio and cpu/mobo.
Toying with upgrading just for iracing only, cant believe how well the 6700k has aged.

I'm not being a #### but You're not getting the most out of that 3080 tho, its basically a <3070. that's what your CPU is pulling it down to. on this chart you're at about the 3300X. you're about 45% down on the 10700K / 10900K / 5600X. I mean why would you pair that CPU with a GPU like that?

pc-guy · 2 Feb 2021 at 13:43

@humbug i think the OP is quite satisfied with 60Hz gaming therefore the 6700k is ok for that.

I think the question is really why getting 3080 for 1440p 60Hz gaming. Even 5700(non xt) 2060 (non super) can do that. It is equivalent of getting 2080ti to game at 1080p 60Hz.

humbug · 2 Feb 2021 at 13:51

pc-guy said:
@humbug i think the OP is quite satisfied with 60Hz gaming therefore the 6700k is ok for that.

I think the question is really why getting 3080 for 1440p 60Hz gaming. Even 5700(non xt) 2060 (non super) can do that. It is equivalent of getting 2080ti to game at 1080p 60Hz.

Yea, he could have got a 10600K and a 3070 for about what he paid for the 3080 and probably ended up with a better experience. Despite what the OP says i don't think that setup is running as smooth as he thinks. i had a 4690K paired with a GTX 1070 and even that wasn't nice.

MartinPrince · 2 Feb 2021 at 14:03

humbug said:
I'm not being a #### but You're not getting the most out of that 3080 tho, its basically a <3070. that's what your CPU is pulling it down to. on this chart you're at about the 3300X. you're about 45% down on the 10700K / 10900K / 5600X. I mean why would you pair that CPU with a GPU like that?

You could have at least found a chart that matches the 1440p resolution that he clearly stated he games at not the 1080p one you are using to make your points. By doing so you are being a #### .

WiGgLr · 2 Feb 2021 at 14:32

pc-guy said:
@humbug
I think the question is really why getting 3080 for 1440p 60Hz gaming. Even 5700(non xt) 2060 (non super) can do that. It is equivalent of getting 2080ti to game at 1080p 60Hz.

I know this isn't directed at me, but for me it was upgrading from a 980TI at 1440p/60 (settings reduced) to game at 1440p / 48-144Hz Ultra. The 980TI could mostly do 1440p 60Hz, but it didn't have VRR nor HDR, so the 3080 card choice makes the most sense as a single component upgrade. Swapping mobo/cpu and possibly RAM would have been marginal benefit to FPS without the graphical fidelity improvements the 3080 gives. I'm old enough to know that I'm too old to be competitive gaming, so a decent resolution, Ultra settings, and with playable refresh rates is what I now desire thank you very much.

humbug said:
Yea, he could have got a 10600K and a 3070 for about what he paid for the 3080 and probably ended up with a better experience.

Some of us paid MSRP for our 3080, and got them delivered a day or two following release date.

clv101 · 2 Feb 2021 at 14:51

Yeah, Intel stagnated for a long time, enabled AMD to catch up. Also, last gen consoles had relatively weak CPUs. This changes now, a lot more processing power on the consoles and Zen 3 raising the bar. Developers have a lot more power to play with.

Let's hope its used wisely and not just an excuse for inefficient code!

WiGgLr · 2 Feb 2021 at 15:10

Agreed, it'll be interesting to see how it goes now over the next year or two, especially with more new tech coming to the PC market (DDR5/PCIE4/etc).

However, unless we have money to burn then we should also only upgrade when we're not happy with the performance that we are getting out of our existing hardware, or else we're throwing money away in most cases. This is especially true for those of us that buy high end (at the time) and go for heavy overclocks for longevity reasons, we all want to maximise our investments after all. 15 to 20 years ago it used to be almost mandatory that you overclocked your aging hardware to delay needing to upgrade every year to every 2 years, so it's pretty nice how much we can live with a decent overclock nowadays.

pc-guy · 2 Feb 2021 at 15:29

humbug said:
Yea, he could have got a 10600K and a 3070 for about what he paid for the 3080 and probably ended up with a better experience. Despite what the OP says i don't think that setup is running as smooth as he thinks. i had a 4690K paired with a GTX 1070 and even that wasn't nice.

for sure even a 10400F with a board paired with 3070 would have given better performance with money in the pocket. anyway everyone to their own...

pc-guy · 2 Feb 2021 at 15:35

WiGgLr said:
I know this isn't directed at me, but for me it was upgrading from a 980TI at 1440p/60 (settings reduced) to game at 1440p / 48-144Hz Ultra. The 980TI could mostly do 1440p 60Hz, but it didn't have VRR nor HDR, so the 3080 card choice makes the most sense as a single component upgrade. Swapping mobo/cpu and possibly RAM would have been marginal benefit to FPS without the graphical fidelity improvements the 3080 gives. I'm old enough to know that I'm too old to be competitive gaming, so a decent resolution, Ultra settings, and with playable refresh rates is what I now desire thank you very much.

Some of us paid MSRP for our 3080, and got them delivered a day or two following release date.

the OP games at 1440p 60Hz max so no point of having anything above 60Hz and i bet that monitor doesnt have VRR.

anyway, even in your use case a 3070 would be sufficient. 3080 is really pushing 4k60 at traditional rasterisation sort of thing.

regarding price, 3080 FE MSRP is £649; 3070 FE MSRP is £469; thats near enough to £200 which is a 10600k or a 10400f with a board. if you consider scalper prices the differential is like £300-£400 then with that you can add a top notch PSU and a set of 16GB fast ram to the mix or nice and big NVME which all have more significant added benefit than 10% frames that 144Hz monitor cant render as the frame count is too high or makes next to nothing matter.

Bazippy · 2 Feb 2021 at 16:11

I do enjoy these little discussions.
So i got a 3080 because I wanted one I paid £700 for a gigabyte oc gaming. I was killing a 980ti that was failing on most things. I didnt buy my cpu just now or my motherboard. So i stuck a 3080 into my pc to see how it handled full well knowing i needed a cpu upgrade at some point this year. Its quite sensible for me buy the best i can when i can/need. I cerrtainly didnt need a full system and still dont. Anyway along came a 3080 which you cant get hold of, so i snapped it up. Now as you can tell im testing the waters on what kind of upgrade i need, seems not a lot really. Im basically bottlenecked by my gpu not my cpu. Sure a few more cores will help etc, but really my point was how well the 6700k is doing.
I really dont get why everyone must put a full balanced system together everytime, its certainly not wrong to do or wrong to buy a big fat gpu and stick it in to see where your at.
ps my monitor is 1440p 165hz - i dont mind not getting the 165hz in RDR2 but boy is it pretty

pc-guy · 2 Feb 2021 at 16:20

what monitor is it. if you are only getting 60FPS rdr2 with 3080 then most definitely you should be look at CPU upgrade. that game should be at 80-90fps average with 3080.

anyway low FPS with a high refresh monitor will have issues such as undershooting and overshooting depend on what setting your VRR is set to. it is not desirable to have those effects. lower some quality settting to get to 90fps or 100fps would be ideal for your current setup.

Bazippy · 2 Feb 2021 at 16:25

Dell s322odgf
Im running RDR2 basically maxed out. It looks perfect imo, so ive locked it to 60fps itll runupto 75-80 at times but never below 60fps. 75fps is 100% gpu usage with the cpu at around 70-80%