Amazed by the 6700k with 3080

Bazippy · 2 Feb 2021 at 17:05

Oh and not running VRR as its freesync with gforce. I did get it to work but didnt play well with RDR.

Was waiting on a few things before upgrade looking either the 10600k or 10700k.
There are some good deals on 10600k or 10700k with a Auros elite z490 which is really tempting me at the moment.

turbot1984 · 2 Feb 2021 at 17:18

Bazippy said:
Oh and not running VRR as its freesync with gforce. I did get it to work but didnt play well with RDR.

Was waiting on a few things before upgrade looking either the 10600k or 10700k.
However there are some good deals on 10600k or 10700k with a Auros elite z490 which is really tempting me at the moment.

If you are happy with 6700K for a while, why not wait until next gen Z590 pcie 4.0? If my 3080 landed now thats what I would do, as its not far off. I was sad to sell my 6700K, but knew it wouldn't allow full potential of 3080 damn fine cpu though

Bazippy · 2 Feb 2021 at 17:29

turbot1984 said:
If you are happy with 6700K for a while, why not wait until next gen Z590 pcie 4.0? If my 3080 landed now thats what I would do, as its not far off. I was sad to sell my 6700K, but knew it wouldn't allow full potential of 3080 damn fine cpu though

Im more then considering that, 11600k or kf, or 11700k or kf. They should be very soon im just stuck at home with a broken arm and im bored... hence all this faffing around!

turbot1984 · 2 Feb 2021 at 17:33

Bazippy said:
Im more then considering that, 11600k or kf, or 11700k or kf. They should be very soon im just stuck at home with a broken arm and im bored... hence all this faffing around!

Got to be 11xxx then, you can build pc with two hands

. All the best!

Bazippy · 2 Feb 2021 at 17:36

turbot1984 said:
Got to be 11xxx then, you can build pc with two hands . All the best!

Where's your sense of adventure, two hand pc building is for whimps

G J · 2 Feb 2021 at 18:10

Erm the OP's 6700k is clocked 200mhz higher then a stock 7700k in the graph and people are saying its equal to a 3300x?

....

Bazippy · 2 Feb 2021 at 19:13

Forgot there was a benchmark in rdr2
Minimum settings 1440p everything down or off
minfps 26 (i never saw this so pressume it was on the black screen as scene loaded)
max 158
average 112
Gpu average of 96%
cpu ran between 70-90% never hit 100%

Bazippy · 2 Feb 2021 at 19:15

my settings of basically full everything 1440p
min fps 30 (never saw below 54 so must be black screens again)
max 94
average 62
cpu 50-95%
gpu basically 99% the whole time

Bazippy · 2 Feb 2021 at 19:17

Just thought it might be of interest that my cpu never tops out, i find that bizarre. Anyway will upgrade with 11th gen then see if there is a change. I know iracing will benefit and thats all that really matters to me.

WiGgLr · 2 Feb 2021 at 20:13

pc-guy said:
the OP games at 1440p 60Hz max so no point of having anything above 60Hz and i bet that monitor doesnt have VRR.

anyway, even in your use case a 3070 would be sufficient. 3080 is really pushing 4k60 at traditional rasterisation sort of thing.

It's not sufficient for me really. I buy components to last a while, not to upgrade in a year or 2. The 3070 might be OK now if I wanted to compromise with some settings, but I don't.

Bazippy said:
I do enjoy these little discussions.
So i got a 3080 because I wanted one I paid £700 for a gigabyte oc gaming. I was killing a 980ti that was failing on most things. I didnt buy my cpu just now or my motherboard. So i stuck a 3080 into my pc to see how it handled full well knowing i needed a cpu upgrade at some point this year. Its quite sensible for me buy the best i can when i can/need. I cerrtainly didnt need a full system and still dont. Anyway along came a 3080 which you cant get hold of, so i snapped it up. Now as you can tell im testing the waters on what kind of upgrade i need, seems not a lot really. Im basically bottlenecked by my gpu not my cpu. Sure a few more cores will help etc, but really my point was how well the 6700k is doing.
I really dont get why everyone must put a full balanced system together everytime, its certainly not wrong to do or wrong to buy a big fat gpu and stick it in to see where your at.
ps my monitor is 1440p 165hz - i dont mind not getting the 165hz in RDR2 but boy is it pretty

I went from same GPU to exact same GPU, using exactly the same logic. Buy the best you can when you absolutely need to, and you end up replacing bits less often.

turbot1984 said:
If you are happy with 6700K for a while, why not wait until next gen Z590 pcie 4.0? If my 3080 landed now thats what I would do, as its not far off. I was sad to sell my 6700K, but knew it wouldn't allow full potential of 3080 damn fine cpu though

This feeds into my previous post, buying any current CPU/Mobo combo that is out right now would lead to me getting buyers remorse when pcie4 and/or DDR5 is out. If I can possibly hold out for that then I should.

Bazippy said:
my settings of basically full everything 1440p
min fps 30 (never saw below 54 so must be black screens again)
max 94
average 62
cpu 50-95%
gpu basically 99% the whole time

For me on the 5.1 7700K, 1440p, g-sync on, pre-set slider all the way to right (favour quality)
min: 34 (didn't see it myself)
max: 97
average 74

GPU usage 95% solid, GPU power 100% solid. So while I agree there is a CPU bottleneck, I can see the GPU doesn't really have much more to give due to the power limit. I stand by the "only upgrade when you're not happy with your performance" mantra. This FPS is totally playable to me and I doubt the higher FPS I would get from waiting to upgrade would be achievable on a 3070 at the same settings. In fact my average FPS is beating a 10900K/3070 combo in this benchmark by an average of 5FPS (74.43 vs 69)
https://www.gpucheck.com/game-gpu/r...nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070/intel-core-i9-10900k/

Bazippy · 2 Feb 2021 at 20:56

Spot on the same logic as me, same figuring on the gpu too.
My one difference is having seen how well my setup runs im nice and happy that if i buy even a 10700k i know im good for a long while. At least past the early days of ddr5 where its silly expensive. Im happy to buy 11th gen knowing its the last before ddr5, ddr5 will be great but id imagine it wont be widely adopted for 2-3years intime for my next upgrade....maybe

Bazippy · 2 Feb 2021 at 20:58

thanks for the Stats Wigglr, its confirmed there is nothing wrong with my system. All the hype had me thinking maybe my 3080 wasnt as good as it should be.

WiGgLr · 2 Feb 2021 at 21:10

According to the site I linked there is a noticeable difference in RDR2 comparing 10900k to 7700k (stock) with a 3080 though
https://www.gpucheck.com/compare-ga...7-7700k-4-20ghz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080/ultra

That's 600Mhz less than I run my 7700K though.

On the upgrade front, I've been very tempted by either a 5800X or 10900K bundle on here recently, but for either bundle I want with a waterblock and 4x8GB I'd be laying down well over a grand, and last I checked not all the bits were in stock anyway. I'm still really close to pulling the trigger anyway, but I know that I don't absolutely NEED to.

Bazippy · 2 Feb 2021 at 21:28

WiGgLr said:
According to the site I linked there is a noticeable difference in RDR2 comparing 10900k to 7700k (stock) with a 3080 though
https://www.gpucheck.com/compare-ga...7-7700k-4-20ghz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080/ultra

That's 600Mhz less than I run my 7700K though.

On the upgrade front, I've been very tempted by either a 5800X or 10900K bundle on here recently, but for either bundle I want with a waterblock and 4x8GB I'd be laying down well over a grand, and last I checked not all the bits were in stock anyway. I'm still really close to pulling the trigger anyway, but I know that I don't absolutely NEED to.

Looking at that though. 8fps difference in my use case. I keep out of loops whilst i dont need something so im jumping into the cpu current world going.....erm did much happen? no...I once had a 120hz processor that was obliterated the next year by a 200hz cpu. How times have changed.

WiGgLr · 2 Feb 2021 at 21:31

Bazippy said:
Looking at that though. 8fps difference in my use case. I keep out of loops whilst i dont need something so im jumping into the cpu current world going.....erm did much happen? no...I once had a 120hz processor that was obliterated the next year by a 200hz cpu. How times have changed.

Oh yeah, I remember overclocking back when heatsinks were passive

There are definitely games that are starting to use more cores/threads than we have on our i7s though, so we're at a bit of a precipice right now. Question is how many games you have in your back catalogue to play through before you get to the more recent games that will force the real upgrade itch.

Bazippy · 3 Feb 2021 at 08:25

WiGgLr said:
Oh yeah, I remember overclocking back when heatsinks were passive

There are definitely games that are starting to use more cores/threads than we have on our i7s though, so we're at a bit of a precipice right now. Question is how many games you have in your back catalogue to play through before you get to the more recent games that will force the real upgrade itch.

Im going with a 11th gen when i can get hold of one. Going to get the best one i can to put me in the same shape im in now in a few years time. 11700k should do the job. I dont have a bunch of older games i want to play. Iracing and whatever new game looks good to me going forward. At least then people wont be upset by my unbalanced system.

opethdisciple · 3 Feb 2021 at 12:19

The GPU sets your max FPS

The CPU sets your minimums

In my opinion the minimums is what you need to look out for as that is how smooth something will feel.

A 6700k might be doing ok but I think you would benefit from an upgrade.

It's not just the CPU but also the ram speed that affects your games.

Saying that if everything feels fine for you on an individual level no need to upgrade at all.

Stick with it.

MartinPrince · 3 Feb 2021 at 12:26

Bazippy said:
...At least then people wont be upset by my unbalanced system.

yeah, I don't know why people are using 1080p charts to tell you how badly you're treating and belittling your poor 3080 when you actually game at 1440p where the load shifts much more to the GPU.

Kudos to you as you've done what most people should do (and many don't!) in checking your actual CPU usage while playing your games.

WiGgLr · 3 Feb 2021 at 14:27

opethdisciple said:
In my opinion the minimums is what you need to look out for as that is how smooth something will feel.
...
It's not just the CPU but also the ram speed that affects your games.

1% minimums is probably more important than absolute minimum from an in game benchmark though, there can often be outliers that are not representative of actual gameplay.

I might try overclocking my RAM now you mention it, I have similar sticks to your with my 7700K, so perhaps I can hit the same speed as your with a bit of tinkering

MartinPrince said:
Kudos to you as you've done what most people should do (and many don't!) in checking your actual CPU usage while playing your games.

Those of us that have been PC gaming since before the Pentium and Athlon days have a different ethos it seems, perhaps because we're at different stages of our lives? It has always made most financial sense to only upgrade the pieces of hardware that you absolutely need to. It was more apparent before when hardware and requirements were evolving so rapidly that a purchase today was obsolete within a year, but it is still a good approach for the pocket nowadays

opethdisciple · 3 Feb 2021 at 15:44

WiGgLr said:
1% minimums is probably more important than absolute minimum from an in game benchmark though, there can often be outliers that are not representative of actual gameplay.

I might try overclocking my RAM now you mention it, I have similar sticks to your with my 7700K, so perhaps I can hit the same speed as your with a bit of tinkering

Those of us that have been PC gaming since before the Pentium and Athlon days have a different ethos it seems, perhaps because we're at different stages of our lives? It has always made most financial sense to only upgrade the pieces of hardware that you absolutely need to. It was more apparent before when hardware and requirements were evolving so rapidly that a purchase today was obsolete within a year, but it is still a good approach for the pocket nowadays

Ram speed / latency affects Ryzen more than it affects Intel bit faster ram can only be good.

If you have the same ram as mine you should be able to achieve good things. It is amazing ram.

Probably the only thing I have ever bought that actually overclocks well.