Amazing sotry of near-death experience

Long long read, but I'm a sceptic unforunately. I'm leaning more towards the fact that she would have been on a HUGE cocktail of drugs to try and combat the cancer, plus painkillers, plus drugs to get her organs to kick-start. If I was on that many drugs I'd probably be seeing unicorns shooting love everywhere :p.

I don't doubt that the human mind can do more than we are using it for, but I don't believe this goes into the realms of moving objects with your mind or making things spontaniously combust. If anyone could do these things, then why wouldn't they have been videod many times, especially in todays world where a phone can take pictures/videos
 
Gackt said:
Nice thread revival.

On a related note, OcUK is a hotbed for closed-minded attitudes. Just need to take a look at this thread to see that. Such a shame really, with all these 'educated' people around.
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Or is it a hotbed of the delusional? I think you'll find the people on here are a lot more open minded than you think, they just arent fools though. Im quite willing to accept that a 'being' created everything, or aliens rule our lives, or the matrix is a documentary but until i can find something more conclusive than a crackpot posting on an internet forum i will stay skeptical. Just because people dont agree with your 'fresh' ideas doesnt mean theyre wrong either.

Of course there are people out there though that truely are wrong about their wild accusations and claims of conspiracy and so on, lolcreationists.
 
did anyone else expect

"Send this to 1-3 friends and you will live a happy normal life
Send this to 5-10 friends and you will live to be 110!!!1!
Sent this to 11+ and you will marry the one you love the most

if you delete this without sending, press F2 and cancer will strike your family down"
 
Goldy said:
I sort of think I know what you're saying, but then I confuse myself. There seems to be a paradox in what you are saying.

So everything has 'consciousness', including the brain, body and mind...?
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I think you're unnecessarily conflating concepts here. Do you understand what is meant by consciousness being a property of the brain?


How can the world I percieve be anything other than subjective? And what's an objective scientific tool exactly?
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This:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

i guess i might take the discussion up on a more philosophically inclined forum.


Don't think closed-minded is right, logical maybe. On a computer forum you'd expect most people to be logical and analytical.
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uhh wtf??? say that again? :D
 
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LOL biggest load of bull ive ever read, anyone could write that. if you believe that then your obviously loopy.

I was able to change the outcome of the tests by my choice!
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YEA!!!!!





why are people actually taking this story seriously?
 
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Surfer said:
This:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

i guess i might take the discussion up on a more philosophically inclined forum.
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How would scientific method help? We'd still only be able to interpret the results as we see, hear, feel, taste them or whatever (i.e. would always be subjective.

As for taking the question to another forum, you were the one who was looking at the obvious, i.e. scientific method. Goldy talking about subjectivity is more philosophical than proving things with scientific method.
 
Ohh i see what you're saying science is waste of time because after all we can only interpret such results from a subjective perspective...hence the truth of such results are only really subjective :D

i feel my will to live draining away....
 
Surfer said:
Ohh i see what you're saying science is waste of time because after all we can only interpret such results from a subjective perspective...hence the truth of such results are only really subjective :D

i feel my will to live draining away....
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I'm not saying I believe in anything I wrote. It's easy to understand though, how can we say what is actually 'real' if we only know what our senses tell us. For example, a mental patient who believes he is Hitler, is, in his mind, Hitler. So on a larger scale when we say something smells or feels like this or whatever it can only ever be subjective. I'm not saying this is true, just it is impossible to disprove (as with God).
 
Lysander said:
With regard to myself, I'm only talking about divination, not telekenisis - I have no telekinetic abilities. In divination, you can cause a physical object to swing/move/rotate/whatever purely by touching or holding it. I've done this in front of people before and they thought I was faking it. So what use would a video be? Maybe - maybe I could go on national television and make some cash out of this but I'm not going to make a spectacle of myself. That's just embarassing.
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Lysander for someone that is claiming to be very open minded I'm suprised that you have pre judged every single person in this thread, I do believe that this kind of thing may be possible and would love to see it proven, you seem to have a very negative opinion of other people for a spiritual guy.
You say that you have shown other people before but won't now, do you really worry that much about what the OcUK members think of you? and if so why make the claim in the first place? I'm not going to ask you to video it because I can't see it happening no matter what anyone says just keep in mind that people now doubt you and mock you anyway, what's to lose?

You can rotate or swing things simply by touching them with your hands? That's amazing..you do realise that your hand is more than likely moving without you realising it, certainly a display of the power of the mind, just not in the way you think.
 
Wow, what a lot of balls in this thread!

"I can make things move etc etc"

LOL

A funny joke, but if serious, professional help is needed.

You see a similar thing with all these nutjobs. They all claim they can do these amazign things, but they never want to advance science, or become a scientist to help solve this "mystery".

Instead of helping mankind they post on the internet...


LOL

Still the wimpering claims of moving objects have given me a laugh.
 
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Visionary said:
It's easy to understand though, how can we say what is actually 'real' if we only know what our senses tell us.
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Well read that back to yourself a few times.

"How do you know what is real if we only know what our senses tell us"

ok?

What do you think Real is? Is Real something away on a platonic realm and unknowable? Or is it something else.

For example, a mental patient who believes he is Hitler, is, in his mind, Hitler. So on a larger scale when we say something smells or feels like this or whatever it can only ever be subjective. I'm not saying this is true, just it is impossible to disprove (as with God).
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Yes i see what you're saying.

You are saying we could all be delusional about what is Real. We could all be believing we are Hitler. (ie basically suffering from a false delusion)
and because we only have our senses to rely on whose to say we arent all suffering from mass delusion.

One tiny problem with that. You can't setup truth-falsehood conditions that cannot be met.

Its like me saying that there are definitely Aliens living in my back garden and no-one can see them but me and its definitely True, Really. Its balls because you have to have conditions in which something can be established to be true or false. Its a belief yep, but not one that can be subject to inquiry or critique from anyone else. (ie Bogus ;) )

This is why Religion and Science are not both just "belief systems" of the same ilk. In Science theirs is testable and they revise what they believe through rigorous testing methods and accumulated knowledge. Religion, for the most part does not. Their "Truth" stays the same.
 
I did telekenesis once, in a really vivid dream. I could even tell you how, I focused on the corner of an object, and willed it in a certain direction. I could only throw things in this manner not float them. I practiced at home for a bit then went out and about messing with people. I woke up and I had to try it for real, but of course it didnt work, I didnt make much of an effort though, because I guess I knew it wouldnt. I knew if I could do that then it would be earth shattering, there are no known scientific mechanisms for it to work.

Whats the use of arms if we can just move things with our mind. I think part of it is confusion, our thoughts sometimes reflect, and are affected by the outside world, so people think their thoughts can effect the world. If people could affect things with their thoughts it would be terrifying, well it would be with my thoughts at least.

That ten percent thing is what put me off Heroes, when in the first episode they had Deepak Chopra or whatever his name, spouting that off, I thought "This series is ********".
 
magick said:
Let's face it for who can do TK and are financialy motivated there's far more than $1,000,000 to be had in the casino's and without all the unecesary spotlight that winning the randi challange would bring.
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Ah yes, the deluder’s answer of choice. "I am only invisible when no one is looking......honest." Next it will be “you choose to be a sheep and believe what ‘they’ want you to believe, you’ll always be a slave with your closed mind…”

“Look at these 5 people, who support our point here, they have websites n stuff so it must be true.”

“What about these 900 sites over there that disprove it all and show them to be simply spinning stuff with little basis in fact?”

“Sorry, I can’t hear you….la la la ………….ooooo look, a spaceship caused the twin towers to collapse, I knew those yanks were hiding stiff. To the internet!!”

I am a little jaded, sorry.
 
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