A bit more substance here:
http://www.mikepettigrew.com/afterlife/html/u_k__study.html
http://www.mikepettigrew.com/afterlife/html/u_k__study.html
Amazing sotry of near-death experience
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Heres a question: regardless of any supernatural or spiritual hocus pocus
Why in hell would your consciousness seem to leave your body???? i mean wtf?? just why? Why would certain chemical reactions in the brain do this? Why is this induced at all?? Utterly BIZARRE imo...
nevermind arguing whether its a spiritual experience or whether its drugs doing it... Its just CRAZY weird that it happens at all!
Figure that one out for me k thanks
well certain kind of pain killers stop all sorts of signals going to your brain so it can feel like you no longer have a body as the nerves which tell your bain where your limbs are are no longer saying your arm is here etc so your mind then tries to figure out whats happening.
Your consciousness is not part of your physcial body. It's the other way round, your physical body is part of your consciousness and possibly a very small part at that. We've generaly forgotten this because from an extremely early age we're told that the world only exists through our 5 physical senses.
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It's not weired or crazy it's just that western science and the rational midest is a lot more limited in it's view than people realise.
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Tefal just so you know...i have experienced whats known as "Out Of Body Experience". Also get what you describe all the time when im falling asleep....
What you're proposing here is that people "think" they are outside of it but really they arent. So basically they are mistaken or deluding themselves in some way?
One of the main factors that debunks that idea is the Massive change of perspective you get
Yes i know some drugs will alter your perception totally but why would they make it seem that your body was over in one corner while you were floating around somewhere else? (with the same distinct clarity and perception i might add) Why would it do that? I'd like to see the scientific reasoning behind it..
Whether its called Western Science or some Hokey Religion
.... each are still mindsets/paradigm from within which phenomena is given meaning.I'd like an explanation that doesnt rely on such dogma. Basically free-thought not tied to either mast.
Whether its called Western Science or some Hokey Religion
I'd like an explanation that doesnt rely on such dogma. Basically free-thought not tied to either mast.
Ok i'll give it a shot.
Your consciousness exists throughout the full bandwith of reality, this includes the 5 senses we experience through our physical body but also infra red, ultra-violet and dark matter, dark energy. Our physical body only exists on a small percentage of this 'reality bandwith'. I don't think it's any coincidence that we only use 10% of brains (at best) and it turns out that our 5 physical senses only percieve a similar amount of bandwith of the full spectrum of reality.
If you shift your oreintation away from the 5 senses to other levels of consciousness or reality bandwith you might discover you have many more senses and forms of perception though in a normal state of consciousness these other forms of perception are usualy overpowered by the 5 physcial senses and therefore become subconscious.
I also think it's likely that the dreamworld and also the spiritworlds and afterlife spoke of by mystics probably has something to do with dark matter. Dark matter incidently is just matter that isn't reflected by light.
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Unfortunately I don't have the Necessary degrees PHD's etc in neurochemistry/science and psychiatry to give anything more detailed.
Also neurochemistry is massively complicated and hard to monitor, so i think it's going to be a long time before you can get detailed chemical explanations for much of our behavior/feelings/thoughts.
thats a myth.
I found the most basic site to explain it for you
http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/tenper.html
Ok maybe I should have said our conscious mind only access's 10% of our brain.
The 10% of brain use is a myth and debunked more times than you can shake a stick at. We use 100%, all the time. Even a quick google search will tell you that.
Frankly, when you're going off on tell-tales and folk legends such as that, it's hard to find credibility in what you're saying.
edit: now that's a -weak- saving face. Why don't you sit down and think for a minute why we only consciously use '10%'? The brain has other processes to look after than conscious thought you know! How about maintaining and running the rest of your body for a start?
Frankly, when you're going off on tell-tales and folk legends such as that, it's hard to find credibility in what you're saying.
edit: now that's a -weak- saving face. Why don't you sit down and think for a minute why we only consciously use '10%'? The brain has other processes to look after than conscious thought you know! How about maintaining and running the rest of your body for a start?
where are you pulling that from??
It's a myth. Some people say 10%, some say a third. We use all of our brains.
It's like Superfetch
I'm not talking about wanting a detailed reductive chemical analysis of the neuro-circuitry behind this.
I think i'm asking science to tell me why it happens when it cant really it can only tell me how...
I mean if instead of these OBEs happening we instead perceived pink elephants flying round the room whenever we had a "spiritual" or "drug-induced" experience. (yes always pink elephants)
I wouldnt be arguing about whether it was evidence of some pink elephant god,afterlife or spiritual realm or whether it was merely an offshoot of some chemical reaction in the brain.
I'd be saying why bloody pink elephants?! lol
So why does conscious awareness float away from the body and act as if independant from it. (you see your body lying there and yet you are somewhere else) What reason does the brain have for inducing this???? To all intents and purposes consciousness is dependant upon a functioning brain.
It freaks the hell outta me...and i find normal reality disturbing enough....
I hate to go into drugs talk, but you can get out of body experiences easily enough with LSD or psilocybin mushrooms. It's just that your mind is basically drugged up, and this alters your perceptions enough to really feel like you are in an out of body experience. The brain also produces and stores natural amounts of chemicals such as dimethyltryptamine (DMT) which produces the same effects, and has been confirmed to produce larger amounts than normal in critical situations such as being near death, or in tremendous amount of pain and jeopardy. Science easily explains how out of body experiences work; you and a lot of other people just want to see a romanticised version of things, where there are no explanations for anything and it's all mysterious and intriguing. Sorry but I got news for you; science knows, and science says it's all down to your brain and its chemistry.
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Wow, the depth of your understanding of particle physics is astounding, and I particularly like how you use theoretical matter to support a hypothesis based on a widely disproved urban legend.
The how will tell you why if we delve into enough detail as it would tell you what chemicals where released what neurons fired and this (with enough knowledges and experimental data) would tell you roughly what a person would experience,
unfortunately its very hard to monitor this stuff without permenatly implanting things into your brain and then inducing varying circumstances, and possibly even doing something simmalar to the experiments on photosynthesis and dunking your brain in hot methanol, t stop reactions at varying points to monitor levels of chemicals.
What your asking is for science to explain human thoughts, which is incredibly complicated thing to do. (and damn near impossible without horrific and prolonged experiments)
It could be because once your brain stops being told it has a body it tries to think of an answer, and it may be that the best one it can think off is it's not in the body any more. some people may just feel disconnected some may be able to look around the room (or at least hallucinate it/dream it) depending on what happens in their brain.
Your basically asking for something similar as to why we see the things we do when we dream. Your going to have to wait a few decades/centuries to find out.
Sorry but the nutjobs are the people that think the universe and all the life in it is just an accident and random event.