Amber Rudd fails to understand the internet

Or maybe we could find a happy medium?

There was a reasonably happy medium, unfortunately the government (both UK and US, and probably others) were found out to have abused their powers. As a direct result communication providers began encrypting their services.

The only ones to blame for this are the governments for their illegal and unlawful actions.
 
Apple aren't going to offer a back door in their phones to the UK government and take the inevitable sales hit that will accompany it. There is marketable value in the attitude that Apple and co. have to this topic.

I'm sure the sales will be hit even more when China, Russia and all the other countries are also given the backdoor. There goes using iPhones for anything business related.
 
There was a reasonably happy medium, unfortunately the government (both UK and US, and probably others) were found out to have abused their powers. As a direct result communication providers began encrypting their services.

The only ones to blame for this are the governments for their illegal and unlawful actions.

So private companies are above the government?

Ouuu that'll not do at all.
 
Well currently companies have and do refuse information requests from governments and public organisations (like the police) if they they don't conform to standards, are seen as to broad, don't have the correct warrants etc. It happens a lot, it's just a shame they have to be the arbitrators of our data. One day maybe we could trust the government with it instead, but that day will probably never come. ;)
 
I once knew a police detective working for/with the drugs squad.
His knowledge of drugs and such was so cliché and hideously textbook it almost sounded like a parody of brass eye.

She sounds a lot like that. A parody of an idiot. God help the UK.
 
I for one look forward to doing plain text online banking :).

Screw it, lets just have the entire internet in plain text. Amber Rudd can even pick the font :D

But it's the private companies we need to worry about, not the government. Certain corporations would love to be able to monitor all our data, just think of the advertising money (and fraud)...
 
"We see no reason why the next Google couldn't come from the UK!"
"Boo to TLS!"
Whilst privacy is of a major concern, or should be, for everyone, this is one of the wider issues really that people like Scorza don't seem to be able to grasp. The more the clueless government spout rubbish like this, the more they put off tech companies from the UK.
 
Exactly and once they leave the UK, they are even less likely to get any data from them :/

The big problem we have in this country is the government/civil service drove away almost all of their IT staff with cuts and pay freezes (networks run themselves, right?). They serious lack skills in this area and that's why they keep coming out with such nonsense and getting done over by contractors, who do half a job and scarper with 10s of millions.
 
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Yes I hadn't gone that far actually @Nasher. For the people that are happy for our authoritarian governments to harvest data and trample on our privacy, what do you expect them to do once these tech companies move their data processing facilities out of the UK to places that aren't as Stasi-like in their data policies?
 
You just can't have a proper discussion with someone who doesn't understand/is unable to see the wider reaching impact of this attitude towards technology and data. The argument of 'if you've got nothing to hide' or 'I don't care who sees my data because I'm not very interesting' are infuriatingly short sighted. What's more worrying is that I have had discussions such as these with people who work in the technology industry - even crossing fields of cyber security consultancy. People just don't seem to care anymore and they won't until they see the direct impact it has on their own bank account or social status.
 
Fighting for peace with War, and protecting civil liberties by eroding them somethings never change.

Do we even know if terrorists use what's app for Terrorism things?
 
Yes I hadn't gone that far actually @Nasher. For the people that are happy for our authoritarian governments to harvest data and trample on our privacy, what do you expect them to do once these tech companies move their data processing facilities out of the UK to places that aren't as Stasi-like in their data policies?

Everyone seems happy enough to give this information freely and willingly to big tech companies already so why not allow the government have access to it?

Don't get me wrong, i'd rather no one had it in the first place, but as it's already too late for that so i'd rather it was was used for attempting to stop terrorist acts then bombarding me with shopping spam.
 
Fighting for peace with War, and protecting civil liberties by eroding them somethings never change.

Do we even know if terrorists use what's app for Terrorism things?

No... they use Twitter and #terrorism, obviously.

That's what Amber Rudd was on about. People just don't understand the necessary hashtags.
 
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