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Considering the Intel 6900k price can the AMD Ryzen be half the price?
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AMD 8 core RYZEN price
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Who knows? Just wait until they release the prices. Anything so far is just rumours and speculation. If it is as good as they say though, don't expect the usual AMD pricing structure.
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Just wondered if intel were doing monopoly price, 1000 pounds tor 8 cores seems a lot but does anyone,really need it in a desktop pc
If it competes with it and is neck and neck why release at half the price? I'd go for a 20% undercut, if I can buy it for £500 I'll have one if motherboards are easy to get on release.
Yes for plenty of things, encoding, streaming and plenty of newer games love more cores and this is only going to change when more cores becomes mainstream. Youtube and other ways of sharing content means plenty of "consumers" need better hardware and awhile quad core recent i5's are good enough for it they could be better.
Because the only Intel 8 core is in their HEDT range with a ridiculous markup in the first place. So AMD can easily sell 8 core Ryzen at a lower price and get many more people buying it.
Computer hardware in general was more expensive for what it was. you had to pay £500 for a 1GB HDD at one point.
And you're paying £1000 for a 4TB SSD...
I don't think AMD can go straight back in with the high pricing, they have fallen off of the face of the earth a little, they have some work to do before people stop defaulting to Intel all the time. Undercutting might be the best way to do that?
It's a double edge sword, people who are knowledgeable about it's performance will be willling to pay it's true value in relation to Intel but if they massively under cut it, those who aren't knowledgeable will base it's performance on it's price and buy Intel regardless.
If it's comparable to Intel's £500 CPU I can see it being sold for £400 or there about.
Exactly just wait........... I am sure price performance as with all Amd products will be very competitive.
When is release supposed to be now anyway..?
Next month or Feb
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Most people who don't understand cpu performance at all go and buy a Dell box, they don't go and buy a CPU and most remain completely unaware of real prices of CPUs, they just see the prices of the computer. For them they go pick the box they want, which is usually in a price range, and when they see an AMD chip with the gpu/screen/memory/hdd size they want and an Intel version with the same everything but CPU being £500 more, most won't go Intel.
Of course, Intel will as usual pay dell to bury any AMD options under searches and hide them from main view as well as possible.
Either way, the 6900k is the price of the chip in a market with no competition. The prices of a 6900k after Zen launches will be different, not necessarily immediately but over a fairly short time period the prices will adjust to a market with competition. AMD has to price Zen for the latter, not the former. Intel having to drop their $1100 cpu to $600 to compete with the same performance from AMD for $450 looks great for AMD. AMD launching at $800, Intel dropping to $800 and then AMD dropping to $450 looks bad for AMD, but either way it's the same price in the end. For what will be a few thousand sales, against millions in the next year, is it worth increasing margins on a few chips but looking like idiots and upsetting those who buy at $800 only to have the same chip almost half the price a few weeks later?
Zen CPUs will cause some price shenanigans with Intel. What I suspect is Intel will keep Skylake prices as they are and adjust Kabylake prices then market it as we've made the yields so much better we can magically(with absolutely nothing to do with Zen at all) make our mainstream Kabylake chips significantly cheaper. I think we'll be back to sandybridge pricing, or maybe half way there due to Zen CPU and another drop following AMD APU release, which with decent CPU performance combined with absolutely Intel crushing gpu performance, will be certainly more competitive. AMD at it's best won't crush a 8 or 10 core Broadwell-E, but a Zen APU could genuinely crush an Intel APU in gaming and a lot of gpu accelerated benchmarks.
Of course, Intel will as usual pay dell to bury any AMD options under searches and hide them from main view as well as possible.
Either way, the 6900k is the price of the chip in a market with no competition. The prices of a 6900k after Zen launches will be different, not necessarily immediately but over a fairly short time period the prices will adjust to a market with competition. AMD has to price Zen for the latter, not the former. Intel having to drop their $1100 cpu to $600 to compete with the same performance from AMD for $450 looks great for AMD. AMD launching at $800, Intel dropping to $800 and then AMD dropping to $450 looks bad for AMD, but either way it's the same price in the end. For what will be a few thousand sales, against millions in the next year, is it worth increasing margins on a few chips but looking like idiots and upsetting those who buy at $800 only to have the same chip almost half the price a few weeks later?
Zen CPUs will cause some price shenanigans with Intel. What I suspect is Intel will keep Skylake prices as they are and adjust Kabylake prices then market it as we've made the yields so much better we can magically(with absolutely nothing to do with Zen at all) make our mainstream Kabylake chips significantly cheaper. I think we'll be back to sandybridge pricing, or maybe half way there due to Zen CPU and another drop following AMD APU release, which with decent CPU performance combined with absolutely Intel crushing gpu performance, will be certainly more competitive. AMD at it's best won't crush a 8 or 10 core Broadwell-E, but a Zen APU could genuinely crush an Intel APU in gaming and a lot of gpu accelerated benchmarks.
I'd love for this to be good but am slightly worried :/
Everything looks good so far, beating the 6900K in several real world scenarios (rendering, transcoding, some gaming, etc) abeit not by much at times, but by enough. And seemingly while consuming less power, and we assume, while coming in at a lower price. Fingers crossed!
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It looks like its going to be good but price is key amongst other things such as motherboards, chip sets etc.
They've gone to some length to make the motherboards cheaper like moving more of the chipset onto the CPU and sticking with PGA. But this adds to the complexity of the CPU so I'm expecting to see a higher CPU then most are expecting but cheap motherboards.
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It needs to be a good chunk of change cheaper than the intel equivalents or nobody except amd fanboys will buy it.
Intel is seen as the standard and people will buy accordingly unless price difference is significant.
I'd like to buy one but i just have a feeling chipsets / motherboards won't be as good as the intel ones.
I'm still leaning towards z270 / 7700k to replace my old z68 / 2500k.
Intel is seen as the standard and people will buy accordingly unless price difference is significant.
I'd like to buy one but i just have a feeling chipsets / motherboards won't be as good as the intel ones.
I'm still leaning towards z270 / 7700k to replace my old z68 / 2500k.
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People just expect/believe it will*be cheaper in order to get back into the high end.*I am not sure that the high end PC space is even where AMD can get back into.
Even the 6800 and*6850 (six cores) are expensive, couple it to a decent mobo and RAM and its a*grand basically.*So for me the PC is more expensive than ever as people looking for the best have to pay more for it. If you want a top end gaming rig for example, 6 or 8C 6850/6900, 8 or 16 GB RAM, good mobo and graphics to match (single card even) will be 1600 quid before you even factor in the case,*m.2 SSD, PSU etc
So my take is that a 24" monitor based system doing 1920HD*4C, 8GB RAM,*ordinary SSD etc is affordable but moving up into the high end*of £2K systems for*2K and 4K systems is a fortune. Therefore AMD could think system as they have graphics*as*well.
Even the 6800 and*6850 (six cores) are expensive, couple it to a decent mobo and RAM and its a*grand basically.*So for me the PC is more expensive than ever as people looking for the best have to pay more for it. If you want a top end gaming rig for example, 6 or 8C 6850/6900, 8 or 16 GB RAM, good mobo and graphics to match (single card even) will be 1600 quid before you even factor in the case,*m.2 SSD, PSU etc
So my take is that a 24" monitor based system doing 1920HD*4C, 8GB RAM,*ordinary SSD etc is affordable but moving up into the high end*of £2K systems for*2K and 4K systems is a fortune. Therefore AMD could think system as they have graphics*as*well.