AMD 9*** series soon?

Martini1991 · 29 Jul 2013 at 15:27

Ripjaw said:
a lot of you guys thinking its just going to be a small step up then?

It can only be a smaller step up if it's 28nm.
Unless they also clock the cores pretty high (Much closer to their limits) I mean a 7970 can gain about 20% now from that almost, then with the extra cores it could be like 40% more, which still isn't over the top.

Suarez7 · 29 Jul 2013 at 15:29

It's a shame that's all we expect nowadays even when changing architecture the initial gains aren't huge. It's even worse with CPU's.

Martini1991 · 29 Jul 2013 at 15:31

badcompany said:
CPU growth has stalled as well hasn't it just think of the money saved? Would I be foolish to upgrade a 5850 to a 7850/70 now then?

CPU growth while it has slowed isn't quite the same.
You add cores to a GPU you're going to see gains.
You add cores to a CPU and you're not going to see gains unless the software is made to.

cainer · 29 Jul 2013 at 15:46

any chance they could bring out the 9970/50 on 20nm and just rebadge the 7970/50 as a 9870/50?

bru · 29 Jul 2013 at 18:24

Does anybody else worry about the time frame aspect of all this.
I mean if AMD are making us wait 22 months since the 7970/50 for their new cards and they are still on 28nm just how long will we have to wait until they release some 20nm cards. We know the process will be ready and rearing to go by the middle of next year, are they really going to go with 22 months then only 8 or so. Really doesn't make much sense to me, if these cards have been ready for a while they could have made more money by releasing them earlier, an extra 3 or 4 months worth of sales would have easily outstripped the boost they will get by releasing with BF4.

TheRealDeal · 29 Jul 2013 at 18:35

bru said:
Does anybody else worry about the time frame aspect of all this.
I mean if AMD are making us wait 22 months since the 7970/50 for their new cards and they are still on 28nm just how long will we have to wait until they release some 20nm cards. We know the process will be ready and rearing to go by the middle of next year, are they really going to go with 22 months then only 8 or so. Really doesn't make much sense to me, if these cards have been ready for a while they could have made more money by releasing them earlier, an extra 3 or 4 months worth of sales would have easily outstripped the boost they will get by releasing with BF4.

The only reason I think amd have waited so long is because Nvidia products have not been that great or powerful this round and the ones like gtx780 and titan are in a different price bracket. I would still take a 7970 over a gtx770 without much thought as I think the 384 bit memory bus and 3gb are worth having. The 7950 is still the card to have in it's price bracket for the same reasons. Down the scale it's pretty close though .

Darujhistan · 30 Jul 2013 at 09:11

Why would AMD bother pushing the envelope with their new range when NV didn't?

The new AMD's will be a match for, or slightly beat the 780, and will cost a fortune, that's thr wat the GPU market is now. Incremental upgrades at a huge price tag.

Locky · 30 Jul 2013 at 09:17

Looking at the specs it's more like a 7975 than anything else.

imginy · 30 Jul 2013 at 10:04

Locky said:
Looking at the specs it's more like a 7975 than anything else.

Do you know which spec there going with?

Some of the spec sheets were saying 4096 stream processors and 512 bus.

Martini1991 · 30 Jul 2013 at 10:09

It could only be 4096 if it were on 20nm.

Sin_Chase · 30 Jul 2013 at 10:15

Darujhistan said:
Why would AMD bother pushing the envelope with their new range when NV didn't?

The new AMD's will be a match for, or slightly beat the 780, and will cost a fortune, that's thr wat the GPU market is now. Incremental upgrades at a huge price tag.

I'm not a fan of this tit for tat release of GPUs that we see now.

nVidia flagship....some time...AMD flagship...some time....nVidia flagship.....

Synchronised releases from both nVidia and AMD at least made it a little more interesting, more competitive and the consumer could pick a side easily.

Now it's both sides being able to bide their time with releases, milk it dry for £££ and work on something while the other side does the same a few months later.

It makes for good business but for any enthusiast it's a bit of a crapper.

9970 will be at 780 or slightly higher levels. Absolutely no way it's going to be significantly faster.

ubersonic · 30 Jul 2013 at 10:42

Ripjaw said:
Im wondering if its to be the 780s amd counterpart is it going to be cheaper?

Doubtful, the 7990 is ~ the same price of the GTX690 despite costing less to make so its likely AMD will just price match again.

Darujhistan · 30 Jul 2013 at 11:55

Sin_Chase said:
I'm not a fan of this tit for tat release of GPUs that we see now.

nVidia flagship....some time...AMD flagship...some time....nVidia flagship.....

Synchronised releases from both nVidia and AMD at least made it a little more interesting, more competitive and the consumer could pick a side easily.

Now it's both sides being able to bide their time with releases, milk it dry for £££ and work on something while the other side does the same a few months later.

It makes for good business but for any enthusiast it's a bit of a crapper.

9970 will be at 780 or slightly higher levels. Absolutely no way it's going to be significantly faster.

Me neither, but it's the way it is. Yep, it'll slightly beat it at best, and probably on price too, especially when you consider they will bundle BF4 with it.

I think the way releases are now, they're making SLI/XFIRE a good option.

I'll just buy a 7950, or wait for whatever the 7950 replacement is. I'm not paying north of £400 for a GPU, that's not really much faster than a 780.

The top end of the GPU market is ludicrous at the moment.

I can buy a PS4 for much less than a 780 costs.

Martini1991 · 30 Jul 2013 at 11:58

ubersonic said:
Doubtful, the 7990 is ~ the same price of the GTX690 despite costing less to make so its likely AMD will just price match again.

Isn't it the 690 that's cheaper to make?
AMD's parts are more expensive than Nvidia's (GK104)

whyscotty · 30 Jul 2013 at 12:06

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-HD-9970-vs-GeForce-GTX-780

ubersonic · 30 Jul 2013 at 12:10

Martini1991 said:
Isn't it the 690 that's cheaper to make?
AMD's parts are more expensive than Nvidia's (GK104)

To be truthful I'm unsure on that, the basis I was using was that both cards cost roughly the same yet the GPU's on the 7990 retailed individually for less than the ones on the 690, also the cooler on the 690 looks to be higher quality and thus more expensive (of course looks can be deceiving).

Suarez7 · 30 Jul 2013 at 12:11

Yeah Martini is right I think, the AMD card costs more to make.

bru · 30 Jul 2013 at 12:41

whyscotty said:
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-HD-9970-vs-GeForce-GTX-780

That's interesting they are suggesting that the 9970 will have a 512 bit memory bus, so we get to have the arguments all over again with 384 not being enough

Martini1991 · 30 Jul 2013 at 12:59

ubersonic said:
To be truthful I'm unsure on that, the basis I was using was that both cards cost roughly the same yet the GPU's on the 7990 retailed individually for less than the ones on the 690, also the cooler on the 690 looks to be higher quality and thus more expensive (of course looks can be deceiving).

It's because Nvidia are making a killing, they're margins on the GK104 are pretty decent, AMD won't be making as much money per, and they need to sell them cheaper due to Nvidia's image.

ubersonic · 30 Jul 2013 at 13:09

Martini1991 said:
It's because Nvidia are making a killing, they're margins on the GK104 are pretty decent, AMD won't be making as much money per, and they need to sell them cheaper due to Nvidia's image.

Yeah what I was trying to say was, instead of pricing the 7990 like two 7970's they priced it to match the 690 (which was priced like two 680's), they could have priced it cheaper and still made as much profit as they would have two 7970's but instead went for the big score which leads me to believe if they produce a 780 rival it will be priced like the 780 and not undercut it.