AMD AGAIN? no Xfire for Tomb raider

[N19h7m4r3]

Your first line sums up my last post brilliantly. Scalling isnt great on Nvidia either in SLI - even though you are running the "Super, Smashing, Great" Day One driver....Well what a lot of good that has done you.

Then you still get the dig into AMD for not having a day one driver.....LOL

Would all Nvidia fans stop their whinging if AMD get a driver out for day one (even though it may make things crash and burn?), of course they would...as it would provide another stick to bash AMD with.

Hypocracy is the name of the game on these forums unfortunately.

I dunno man, getting 90-100 fps in Tomb Raider on launch is rather nice, yeah it had dips to 60's but with the latest fix that doesn't even happen anymore.

AMD would have been far betting getting a driver out, even if it only had similar scaling to the NV day 1 driver.

Also people whining if it makes things crash and burn? Even AMD users would hold it against them, killing hardware is a serious issue; it doesn't matter which brand you use.

The main reason many wouldn't get a Polaris GPU in the future would be drivers, being late doesn't help them.

....you wont get that from team green kepler users and it will be the same with maxwell users a few years from now.

Except that Kepler is doing extremely well in Tomb Raider, with the GTX 780Ti beating the GTX 970. Even in The Division Beta Kepler cards are doing very well. Never mind the 290X not being 4 years old.

 

[TonyTurbo78]

It's because Xfire support stinks.

Apparently the TR 2013 profile works if you set it manually.

this is well and good, but crossfire custom profiles are not saving or applying for a lot of us on 16.1 Crimson drivers. Apparently AMD are well aware of this issue and hopefully fixing it in the next driver, but lets not hold our breath.

https://community.amd.com/thread/195373

 

[maonayze]

I dunno man, getting 90-100 fps in Tomb Raider on launch is rather nice, yeah it had dips to 60's but with the latest fix that doesn't even happen anymore.

AMD would have been far betting getting a driver out, even if it only had similar scaling to the NV day 1 driver.

Also people whining if it makes things crash and burn? Even AMD users would hold it against them, killing hardware is a serious issue; it doesn't matter which brand you use.

The main reason many wouldn't get a Polaris GPU in the future would be drivers, being late doesn't help them.

Sorry dude I didn't mean actually burning/destroying a card in the physical sense...it was just a turn of phrase. I just dont get the "It's better to have a driver there on day one that does even more damage, than it is to get the driver working correctly but be a few days late...with a working driver that does actually improve the performance" bit.

We all want perfect error free performance, but that is not the nature of what we run games on. PC's will always be prone to driver issues at release because of the diverse choice of cards we can all use to build our systems. Hence why things are always put right after the release more times than they are before the release. AMD cannot and do not have the funds to test every single build....even Nvidia cannot do that as there are too many flavours of cards and chips which can be interchanged/bolted on etc...

Hell, even consoles cant get it right and they have all the same kit....how do you expect others to get it right.

However, both AMD and Nvidia should be seen to be doing better on the driver front especially where MGPU's are concerned...with that I wholeheartedly agree.

 

[Matson]

Its not about kicking his toys out of the pram its about paying for products that you expect to work. You wouldn't be happy buying a sports car with a 8 cylinder engine and only 4 work. At the end of the day hes paid the money for two cards and with new games they rarely both work.
He has every right to be unhappy about that. He says the single card is running the game between 30-40 fps @4K. Both cards working he would be hitting 60fps which is much more appealing and feels more fluid and hed be getting what he paid for.

 

[NightSt@lk3r]

Not good enough. Should be ready for release day.

How can AMD release driver optimizations on release day for a game they are not allowed pre release access too thanks to Nvidia?

 

[maonayze]

Except that Kepler is doing extremely well in Tomb Raider, with the GTX 780Ti beating the GTX 970.

Don't you find that a bit odd? For Nvidia, I mean. A newer card being beaten by an older one. hmmmm interesting....

AMD cards are like original VW GTI's...they get better as they get older. Nvidia cards are like new VW GTI's....blimey they are fast....but someones doing something dodgy under the bonnet somewhere to skew emissions results.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Better than nothing though Ayahuasca.

AMD doesn't infuse any confidence in release day acceptable performance anymore, the fact they have little to zero AAA sponsorship just makes it worse with the amount Nv have in comparison.

If they want to hold on to the little audience they have left, they are going to have to pay up like Nv do.

And then their PR is so rubbish they forget to mention that the headline SFX in the game is based on their technology and then Nvidia trolls them on their own web page,by literally saying how great CD did with the tech.

Inept comes to mind.Even if they have the hw and sw in place they will still screw up somehow,ie, an "overclockers dream".

 

[maonayze]

Its not about kicking his toys out of the pram its about paying for products that you expect to work. You wouldn't be happy buying a sports car with a 8 cylinder engine and only 4 work. At the end of the day hes paid the money for two cards and with new games they rarely both work.
He has every right to be unhappy about that. He says the single card is running the game between 30-40 fps @4K. Both cards working he would be hitting 60fps which is much more appealing and feels more fluid and hed be getting what he paid for.

Yes I agree with what your saying and in a perfect world that would be great. However, PCs are not fixed component machines, hence why different people post totally different issues to others and some have no issues at all. Actually I do think that MGPU support has gone downhill recently on both sides of the coin when with the impending release of the VR headsets it should be getting a hell of a lot better IMHO.

Until everyone decides to go single card, both AMD and Nvidia seem to not want to sort out MGPU driver issues to get them working with all games properly which is a big shame. After all it will only take one of them to do this and the other would have to follow suit.....hopefully.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Don't you find that a bit odd? For Nvidia, I mean. A newer card being beaten by an older one. hmmmm interesting....

AMD cards are like original VW GTI's...they get better as they get older. Nvidia cards are like new VW GTI's....blimey they are fast....but someones doing something dodgy under the bonnet somewhere to skew emissions results.

Not really, the 970 is a high midrange card, the 780Ti was the previous top end. It's always been that way, new high mid matches old high end.

The only exceptions was when their was a not only massive node size reduction but also a new shift in tech where the new GPUs completely stomped the older generation.

Such as the 7900GTX > 8800GTS, or 280GTX > 470.

All it really shows is that NVIDIA sorted out that rubbish Kepler drivers that were around last summer where the 780Ti was even getting beat by the GTX 960.

 

[maonayze]

"overclockers dream".

If I ever get to meet the PR guy who said this off the cuff remark......I am gonna kill him.

If ever AMD shot themselves in the foot....

 

[N19h7m4r3]

If I ever get to meet the PR guy who said this off the cuff remark......I am gonna kill him.

If ever AMD shot themselves in the foot....

Never mind that, where is AMD's PR out in full swing about TressFX 3.0 being used to create Pure Hair in Tomb Raider?

This a perfect example of their new GPUOpen initiative and they've done nothing about it :/

 

[maonayze]

Not really, the 970 is a high midrange card, the 780Ti was the previous top end. It's always been that way, new high mid matches old high end.


All it really shows is that NVIDIA sorted out that rubbish Kepler drivers that were around last summer where the 780Ti was even getting beat by the GTX 960.

But this shows old high end now beating newer mid tier?

Also I am glad that Nvidia were forced to sort their drivers out for the older generation....But the question is...would they have done it if they weren't pulled up and questioned on it, and was this an unforeseen error or done by design.

 

[maonayze]

Never mind that, where is AMD's PR out in full swing about TressFX 3.0 being used to create Pure Hair in Tomb Raider?

This a perfect example of their new GPUOpen initiative and they've done nothing about it :/

Yes, absolutely without a shadow of a doubt I completely agree. Why are they missing these opportunities when us mere forum dwellers can see these things a mile off.

The AMD PR department caught sleeping again. I could get a few AMD users from this forum and do a better job of it.

I think that RTG should also have their own PR dept and not leave it to AMD.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

But this shows old high end now beating newer mid tier?

Also I am glad that Nvidia were forced to sort their drivers out for the older generation....But the question is...would they have done it if they weren't pulled up and questioned on it, and was this an unforeseen error or done by design.

Beating at a negligible amount really. 2-4 fps at max going both ways between the cards depending on game. ( Tomb Raider or The Division )

To me it looked perfectly unforeseen, as at the same time the GTX 980Ti launched, and for over a month after that their drivers were plagued with issues. I never ranted so much about drivers before since the days of my 7950GX2.

Them being a mess was an understatement, and the main issue was they were plagued with TDR issues. The NV forums were flooded with complaints

After that though, everything start getting fixed for each driver update, and it's been significantly better since then. My own personal issues only surfaced recently after installing Windows 10 when there was a driver bug with Adobe software.

I also have a mini little machine downstairs solely Solidworks, and the GTX 580 in that has been holding amazingly well for years. I even played the Witcher 3 at medium settings mid 40's for FPS on launch when I was waiting for the 980Ti's to arrive.

 

[Toss3]

Honestly just don't buy CF/SLI setups and get the best single card solution you can afford; the hassle of getting multi-gpu setups to work just makes it not worth it (not just saying this because I went with an ITX mobo ).

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Honestly just don't buy CF/SLI setups and get the best single card solution you can afford; the hassle of getting multi-gpu setups to work just makes it not worth it (not just saying this because I went with an ITX mobo ).

I've been back and forth on both caps, and honestly I haven't had a single GPU powerful enough to play at my prefered settings since the 8800GTX.

So double cards it is for me, I just wish AMD could get profiles out quicker. Xfire scaling is fantastic when it works, issue is when it arrives sadly. Usually after the game is out and it's been played; at a sub-par experience

 

[tommybhoy]

What, it's better to release a day one driver that crashes machines as I have read in the Nvidia Drivers threads? I sometimes can't believe the hypocracy in here. Nvidia users bleating on about their fantastic drivers when over in the Nvidia drivers forum they are screaming at how bad the last set of drivers were and the issues they have caused. It's not like we can't go over there and read it ourselves , you know.

If you re-read what I said without putting it into a 'my drivers bettah' category, you'll see that I'm talking game tie ins, that's where the release day driver performance comes from, you pay them(sponsorship), you get full exclusive access to every build before your competitor, it's always been that way.

Yep, this could have been a great opportunity for them, with talk of DX12 and async before release.

Blew it big time because they think like AMD and not Nv and never paid for the tie in.

And then their PR is so rubbish they forget to mention that the headline SFX in the game is based on their technology and then Nvidia trolls them on their own web page,by literally saying how great CD did with the tech.

Inept comes to mind.Even if they have the hw and sw in place they will still screw up somehow,ie, an "overclockers dream".

Possibly, but as I said in the other thread, the co-development is perhaps the problem with the PR.

 

[Ayahuasca]

Your first line sums up my last post brilliantly. Scalling isnt great on Nvidia either in SLI - even though you are running the "Super, Smashing, Great" Day One driver....Well what a lot of good that has done you.

Then you still get the dig into AMD for not having a day one driver.....LOL

Would all Nvidia fans stop their whinging if AMD get a driver out for day one (even though it may make things crash and burn?), of course they would...as it would provide another stick to bash AMD with.

Hypocracy is the name of the game on these forums unfortunately.

I don't even use SLI lol.

Yeah I had a dig because having a driver that at least allows multi cards to work somewhat is far better than nothing at all.

It's okay though I always expect you to respond to anything negative about AMD, they should hire you as a PR guy because there's not enough wink replies when their users ask about driver releases.

 

[Matson]

lol at the wink replies. So true

I would like to think with VR coming soon these issues will be fixed or improved greatly because dual card setups are going to be even more needed for comfortable high end VR.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Possibly, but as I said in the other thread, the co-development is perhaps the problem with the PR.

Why would it be an issue - its an AMD derived tech and AMD can talk about it,and if they signed some weird agreement that says they can't then that is just stupid. Even in games when AMD has been involved it in,Nvidia will trumpet any bit of help or tech it has contributed,and that's long before Gameworks.

If I ever get to meet the PR guy who said this off the cuff remark......I am gonna kill him.

If ever AMD shot themselves in the foot....

He panicked when ask a question which might be obviously asked at the launch for an enthusiast level graphics card,and was a senior AMD chap too(don't think he was PR,but an engineering chap).

It just shows you that even at the briefing,people had not been told by marketing on how to approach questions especially them knowing the tools were not out and probably even the fact the rough sort of clocks a sample might get.

A simple - "we will let the overclockers find out" or something to that line would have made it a total non-issue.

Plus after the shambles,that was the R9 290 series reference cooler,when some smart alec at AMD decided to introduce a "quiet mode" and probably knew it would throttle they should have known better after all that effort on a decent R9 Fury X stock cooler,it was kibbled by poor QC which should have not happened.

With the R9 290 series if they had conveyed the fact it would "lead to lower maximum boost clockspeeds" it would have deflated the attempt by Nvidia PR when they gave free cards to reviewers who then tested it under the "quiet mode" which caused the cards to throttle. Then a year and a bit earlier,numerous websites highlighted that Kepler cards had boost issues which meant many websites changed their review methods. AMD PR were asleep for that - unluckily for them Nvidia PR was wide awake.

I mean I simply don't understand at times what is happening inside AMD - they don't need a massive army of PR/marketing people to do all of this,just one or two people on the ball to convey observations - there might be for all we know,but something is definitely not going right the last few years.

ATI were more on the ball in some ways IMHO,and I really hope RTG does become more active and proactive in "selling" their products against the competition. Because if they don't,nobody else is going to do it for them.