AMD and Intel loserz?? lolz

[Its_Me]

With the last few posts about AMD or Intels latest offerings resulting in fan boy style mutterings, I feel its time to remind everyone a simple little fact that most overlook:

FACT - Intel currently have the fastest desktop CPU's clock for clock.
FACT - AMD struggle to cope with demand for their parts ATM

Whats does it mean ? - not a great deal.......

Dothan was slightly faster then the A64 clock for clock too, but not many ppl could jump onto that platform as easy, so we did'nt see so many totaly nonse posts about them(lucky us).

AMD & Intel (or should it be Intel & AMD)
They both have roadmaps that can and do change.
Intels latest offering will force AMD to speed up their roadmap and possibly change/tweak design or even dump some (leapfrog to others)
AMD never considered the p4 a true challenger so has hardly been rushing to push their K8.
So hold on before you say AMD or Intel are the ' winners'.
The only 'winners' at the moment are US*, cheaper prices for faster (IPC) CPU's and both companies considering they MUST compete for our custom.

I have to say though that the best thing for AMD has been the chipset support they have gained - Intel has always held the crown there, but chipset offereing have leveled out now (my opinion)
The winner here is US* yet again, more choice and fast stable platforms(sic)
(*US - as in hardware enthusiasts)

Always room for discussion, and yeah O.K some ppl have valid points for their choice in platform (e.g X2 AM2 new build over a Conroe atm).
This does'nt mean XIntel is better then yAMD or vice versa - its what works for you at any given time.

Lets face it, if Intel and AMD ever did a market share deal (i.e 60/40) they could virtualy slow down the roadmaps to snails pace, increase profit margins and still generate the same revenue.

Don't get me wrong, nothing wrong with saying Intel/AMD is the fastest currently, its the attitude of some that a)will not admit it b)wave the flag of the competition without knowing whats coming out, going on or otherwise having any clue what so ever.

Fanboys belong at a Game.
I don't consider buying goods a game and I hope no one else does !

 

[ted34]

Some good points there but the race now is who releases the quad core first although cant see that being much of a performance gain for most people as dual cores handle multitasking very well anyway. Obviously users who run a lot of cpu intensive tasks simultaneously will benefit a lot but cant see some of conroes benchmarks being beaten by amd chips anytime soon

 

[taz488]

exactly, its what cpu is best for YOU, not a cpu which other people think is better at everything in any situation just because it happens to be the fastest at the minute. the one thing i hate is going into some innocent persons thread when they ask for advice from both sides of the board then the thread gets bombarded with a ridiculous and pointless argument between "fanboys" and nobody gets anywhere and the author of the thread doesnt have a clue, i think there should be deleted posts that go off the subject and are completely biased. this way people will actually be helped in thier quest for knowledge and therefor will enjoy their experience on these forums and get the answers that they came for.

 

[Its_Me]

Quad cores are another moot point,

technology is already ahead of desktop apps (mostly) with Dual cores.

 

[Its_Me]

exactly, its what cpu is best for YOU, not a cpu which other people think is better at everything in any situation just because it happens to be the fastest at the minute. the one thing i hate is going into some innocent persons thread when they ask for advice from both sides of the board then the thread gets bombarded with a ridiculous and pointless argument between "fanboys" and nobody gets anywhere and the author of the thread doesnt have a clue, i think there should be deleted posts that go off the subject and are completely biased. this way people will actually be helped in thier quest for knowledge and therefor will enjoy their experience on these forums and get the answers that they came for.

How about a fanboys forum

 

[ted34]

How about a fanboys forum

Try the graphics card thread and put a post up with "ati or nvidia" in title - creates pure comedy

 

[Its_Me]

Try the graphics card thread and put a post up with "ati or nvidia" in title - creates pure comedy

Well your right, although this was mainly about CPU's - the GPU agruments are as bad if not worse.

 

[MikeTimbers]

quad-core is already old-hat. I'm playing with an octo-core right now.

 

[pinkaardvark]

I think the fact that your even bothering to make this post and waste half an hour typing it says that you yourself take this whole thing far too seriously.

As far as I can see Intel have a stonking chip out and AMD have a slightly slower one but have very competitive prices. Either way the last gen and even the one before that are still suitable for 90% of users requirements. My old xp2500 mobile and 6800nu combo seem to be able cope with ripping mp3's, playing divx, playing the odd game and reasonable quality levels and booting into windows quickly.

I just wish there was some killer app or game out there to justify the expenditure, I just got rid of my last cpu AMD X2 4400 and although it was nice and quick I didn't really benefit from it.

 

[Its_Me]

I think the fact that your even bothering to make this post and waste half an hour typing it says that you yourself take this whole thing far too seriously.

I type a little faster then that

What am i takign seriously ? the fact that lots of threads get trashed due to constant bickering between the fanboys over & over & over - yeah a little.

 

[slap ed]

i must admit i was a little dissapointed with dual core at the momment to be honest ,but if both cores are clocked slower and need less watts to do more work then surely we are winners again. less fans quiter and cheaper to run has got to be the way forward

 

[Participant]

"Fanboyism" is a too-often used cliché often used to describe someone giving their favourable opinions of a product, when it should be used only to describe someone that blindly follows one particular brand irrespective of the pros and cons of staying with it or going elsewhere.

Most intelligent and educated people refer to this as brand loyalty, a well-known term in economics, rather than "fanboyism" - a stupid and juvenile term. Human psychology dictates that people will often return to a brand with which they have had a good experience, and this perceived safety net is a perfectly valid and fair point of view.

Both AMD and Intel have pros and cons for DIFFERENT people, so give it a rest with the fanboyism accusations and understand that many people are simply conveying their argument based on what they believe to be the pros and cons of each product, as well as feeling safe choosing a product with which they have had a previous good experience.

To conclude - fanboyism is purged around here as though it were an evil trait. It's called brand loyalty, and is perfectly natural in the consumer world.

 

[Its_Me]

"Fanboyism" is a too-often used cliché often used to describe someone giving their favourable opinions of a product, when it should be used only to describe someone that blindly follows one particular brand irrespective of the pros and cons of staying with it or going elsewhere.

Most intelligent and educated people refer to this as brand loyalty, a well-known term in economics, rather than "fanboyism" - a stupid and juvenile term. Human psychology dictates that people will often return to a brand with which they have had a good experience, and this perceived safety net is a perfectly valid and fair point of view.

Both AMD and Intel have pros and cons for DIFFERENT people, so give it a rest with the fanboyism accusations and understand that many people are simply conveying their argument based on what they believe to be the pros and cons of each product, as well as feeling safe choosing a product with which they have had a previous good experience.

To conclude - fanboyism is purged around here as though it were an evil trait. It's called brand loyalty, and is perfectly natural in the consumer world.

Think you missed my point

.....Always room for discussion, and yeah O.K some ppl have valid points for their choice in platform (e.g X2 AM2 new build over a Conroe atm).
This does'nt mean XIntel is better then yAMD or vice versa - its what works for you at any given time.............
....................Don't get me wrong, nothing wrong with saying Intel/AMD is the fastest currently, its the attitude of some that a)will not admit it b)wave the flag of the competition without knowing whats coming out, going on or otherwise having any clue what so ever................

I am fully aware of brand loyality, but its the sheer pig headed attitutude of some - i.e the fanboyz that cause issue. SO I have dissagreement with your comment

To conclude - fanboyism is purged around here as though it were an evil trait. It's called brand loyalty, and is perfectly natural in the consumer world.

It may be true for you and many, but for some its not.
Also a passing comment on the intelligence and illiteracy

Most intelligent and educated people refer to this as brand loyalty, a well-known term in economics, rather than "fanboyism"

I am sorry to be so blunt here (no troll), but that is utter rubbish, you can't make such a sweeping comment with regards to (passionate) debate, nor has it any bearing upon ones choice of brand to be loyal too.

"We should take care not to make the intellect our god; it has, of course, powerful muscles, but no personality."
-- Albert Einstein

 

[taz488]

i agree with what he ses, its not the same thing. brand loyalty is acceptable, fanboyism isnt.

here is a biased comment, an example of fanboyism...

"conroe whoops amd's ass" - quite clearly conroe is the new fast cpu but we dont needs comments like this because for loads of people the best option at the minute is amd for a reason other than speed.


here is a biased comment, an example of brand loyalty...

"i choose intel because i find that they never break" - intels may break but because hes never had one that does he believes intel is the better choice. this is an acceptable comment because it is from experience with the product and will actually help the person seeking help.

EDIT: i do business studies in school, im 16, you dont have to be a genuis to know what brand loyalty is and its not subject matter for the most "intellectual and educated" people in society.

 

[UKTopGun]

here is a biased comment, an example of fanboyism...

"conroe whoops amd's ass" - quite clearly conroe is the new fast cpu but we dont needs comments like this because for loads of people the best option at the minute is amd for a reason other than speed.

But conroe does whoop AMD's ass? You can't buy a £125 AMD and make it faster than an FX-62 can you? I'm not being a fanboy I'm just stating a fact. If your budget is £450 (e300 - £125, asrock - £50, x1800xt - £150, ram - £130) I'd say go go Conroe, but if its below I'd say go AMD.

 

[Its_Me]

A bit harsh Taz

UKTopGun

Absolutely.
I'm sure you hit the nail on the head, with what Taz was getting at - its faster as such, but does'nt 'whoop its ass' overall (price point) as you rightly pointed out.

 

[taz488]

it might be faster yes but a comment like that is unfair without stating both sides of the story. you could say "wait for amd's 65nm chips because they'll whoop conroes ass" or "price/performance amd whoops intels ass" i was merely stating an unfair comment that doesnt show both sides of the story.

 

[james_earl]

its amazing really that we all seem to care so much. I wonder how many people went from capable amd dual cores to conroes for the performance increase when in reality they did not need the extra performance whatsoever. the real winners are the people who convinced us that we need to upgrade constantly.

 

[UKTopGun]

Also you have to put in mind of selling your old rig.

I can sell my CPU, Mobo, Graphics and RAM (well acctually I already have) for £280. My conroe upgrade (Bought cpu, mobo, ram, vga cooler, cpu cooler) cost me £570.

£570 - £280 = £290.

My system does do everything I want yes, but if I wait until say, January to upgrade I can only sell my current PC for £200 maybe less. Prices arent going to go massively down in 5 months so imo that justifies my upgrade. Sub-£300 upgrade for me and more than twice the performance = Good upgrade.

 

[Its_Me]

Also you have to put in mind of selling your old rig.

I can sell my CPU, Mobo, Graphics and RAM (well acctually I already have) for £280. My conroe upgrade (Bought cpu, mobo, ram, vga cooler, cpu cooler) cost me £570.

£570 - £280 = £290.

My system does do everything I want yes, but if I wait until say, January to upgrade I can only sell my current PC for £200 maybe less. Prices arent going to go massively down in 5 months so imo that justifies my upgrade. Sub-£300 upgrade for me and more than twice the performance = Good upgrade.

That sort of hold true, but you forget the fact that Conroe prices will also fall and chipset/boards mature by then.