AMD confirm RX 7900 vapour chamber problems

Purgatory · 16 Jan 2023 at 09:56

Klo said:
A recall tends to only happen if the product is unsafe? Despite the temps, this isn't going to burn your house down.

You mean like the nvidia power adapter issue..

The whole industry is a mess from price to poor quality control now. Yes mistakes happen and always equipment that fails or has some unknown issues at the time and I have to say AMD have behaved better with an issue than nvidia did with an issue I classed as dangerous to end users and they didn't recall anything and asked users with the issue to send their expensive AIB cards to be replaced with fe cards :rolleyes:

forgetting that people purchased the AIB card because they wanted that model and paid more for it. Anyways we will let the customer decide what to buy.. From now I will be waiting for any new pc components to have been out in the wild and showing no issues before purchasing an upgrade.

Noxia · 16 Jan 2023 at 10:12

Purgatory said:
You mean like the nvidia power adapter issue.. The whole industry is a mess from price to poor quality control now. Yes mistakes happen and always equipment that fails or has some unknown issues at the time and I have to say AMD have behaved better with an issue than nvidia did with an issue I classed as dangerous to end users and they didn't recall anything and asked users with the issue to send their expensive AIB cards to be replaced with fe cards forgetting that people purchased the AIB card because they wanted that model and paid more for it. Anyways we will let the customer decide what to buy.. From now I will be waiting for any new pc components to have been out in the wild and showing no issues before purchasing an upgrade.

I too was making fun of that adaptor issue until it came to light it was complete user error hence why it is now gone very very quiet about it.

Marine-RX179 · 16 Jan 2023 at 10:16

Noxia said:
I too was making fun of that adaptor issue until it came to light it was complete user error hence why it is now gone very very quiet about it.

I dunno...if the cables are designed in a way that people have to use unholy amount of force or even requiring to plug the cables into the card BEFORE installing onto the motherboard to secure it, I would say it is still design issue rather than users' fault.

That is like blaming someone that get tripped-over instead who or what cause the tripping.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 16 Jan 2023 at 10:18

AMD has not learnt any lesson from rushing out launches. This is not the first time this has happened. All for the sake of hitting some PR mandated date.

Noxia · 16 Jan 2023 at 10:20

Marine-RX179 said:
I dunno...if the cables are designed in a way that people have to use unholy amount of force or even requiring to plug the cables into the card BEFORE installing onto the motherboard to secure it, I would say it is still design issue rather than users' fault.

They don't though. Now I've had one I I feel I can objectively talk about it rather than giving experience with something I've had no hands on experience with.

AJSokfi · 16 Jan 2023 at 10:27

Adding to the thread of unfortunately requesting a return due to this issue. After being on backorder for a while and finally getting it this past weekend, safe to say I was gutted when I saw the card creeping to 110c junction then staying there across multiple games. Was hoping I'd avoid it as it wasn't the initial batch of cards, alas, I have not. It's a shame as the card itself performs great until the inevitable happens. Have a ticket open with OC at the moment aiming to return. I would go xtx partner card but at the prices they have, plus adding the unacceptably high idle power draw on top, it's hard not to feel burned by AMD to the point that it makes the 4080 look like a viable option, which 2 months ago I wouldn't have dreamed of saying.

skarpinis · 16 Jan 2023 at 10:29

Klo said:
How about waiting 6 months before buying any new graphics card.

What about not buy at all?

Alt0153 · 16 Jan 2023 at 10:42

Noxia said:
They don't though. Now I've had one I I feel I can objectively talk about it rather than giving experience with something I've had no hands on experience with.

i also own one and the adapter that came with my december purchase connected easily and made an audible click, which is nothing like the ones sold before that going by the amount of people melting them or the gamers nexus video where he had to ram his connector in and it made no sound he could hear to know it was connected properly.

it was a manufacturing error compounded with user error, nvidia fixed the manufacturing side so now you dont hear about melting cables any more

Noxia · 16 Jan 2023 at 10:44

Alt0153 said:
i also own one and the adapter that came with my december purchase connected easily and made an audible click, which is nothing like the ones sold before that going by the amount of people melting them or the gamers nexus video where he had to ram his connector in and it made no sound he could hear to know it was connected properly.

it was a manufacturing error compounded with user error, nvidia fixed the manufacturing side so now you dont hear about melting cables any more

Was it only the FE or something? If so that is another reason I never touch them. Also apologies for thread derail.

brostradamus · 16 Jan 2023 at 10:47

Noxia said:
Was it only the FE or something? If so that is another reason I never touch them. Also apologies for thread derail.

No click on the fe.. it wasn't audible atleast but the mate can be verified visually

CapitalOne · 16 Jan 2023 at 10:50

Marine-RX179 said:
I dunno...if the cables are designed in a way that people have to use unholy amount of force or even requiring to plug the cables into the card BEFORE installing onto the motherboard to secure it, I would say it is still design issue rather than users' fault.

That is like blaming someone that get tripped-over instead who or what cause the tripping.

I am a total malcoord and I managed it ok, so yep, fully user error

Klo · 16 Jan 2023 at 11:16

skarpinis said:
What about not buy at all?

What will you do if Nvidia ever makes an error? Never buy another graphics card?

koeiwong · 16 Jan 2023 at 11:44

Klo said:
What will you do if Nvidia ever makes an error? Never buy another graphics card?

People forgot the hot gddr6x with 3080 or 3090 cards two years ago. Many people blame mining but I never mine however my 3090 memory can reach 100c to 104c easily while gaming, also the card coil whine was so bad I ended up selling it after a few months.

4000 series cooling improved a lot but every manufacturer still makes mistakes from time to time.

Purgatory · 16 Jan 2023 at 11:59

koeiwong said:
People forgot the hot gddr6x with 3080 or 3090 cards two years ago. Many people blame mining but I never mine however my 3090 memory can reach 100c to 104c easily while gaming, also the card coil whine was so bad I ended up selling it after a few months.

4000 series cooling improved a lot but every manufacturer still makes mistakes from time to time.

Guessing you are on a FE card then, AIB cards were not doing that unless they were faulty. Mine never goes above 83c and they are in SLI/NVLINK and I mean the top card the one that gets the hottest and these were summer temps now with it cold they rarely get to 80c and bottom card is in the 70's 73-75c, normally about an 8c-9c difference I see between the cards when both are being pushed hard and the top one of course is the warmer card. All comes down to case cooling and the model of card and the FE 3090s were terrible for VRAM temps in some cases or some cards that were clearly not put together well.

Stanners · 16 Jan 2023 at 12:00

Keep it to the thread subject, we do not want another childish AMD vs Nvidia thread.

koeiwong · 16 Jan 2023 at 12:02

Purgatory said:
Guessing you are on a FE card then, AIB cards were not doing that unless they were faulty. Mine never goes above 83c and they are in SLI/NVLINK and I mean the top card the one that gets the hottest and these were summer temps now with it cold they rarely get to 80c and bottom card is in the 70's 73-75c, normally about an 8c-9c difference I see between the cards when both are being pushed hard and the top one of course is the warmer card. All comes down to case cooling and the model of card and the FE 3090s were terrible for VRAM temps in some cases or some cards that were clearly not put together well.

Yes, it was a FE card. Changed the thermal pad improved a lot. But the coil whine drove me crazy.

Purgatory · 16 Jan 2023 at 12:16

koeiwong said:
Yes, it was a FE card. Changed the thermal pad improved a lot. But the coil whine drove me crazy.

Yes that was the other problem with the FE cards sadly the coil whine and some had fans that clipped the shroud or make strange noises too, we replaced all our 3090 fe cards with aibs in the end at work over 28 of them I think last count was and they were all in sli/nvlink for our work and imagine the noise in an open office with all them running it sounded like someone running their nails down a chalkboard and even the air-conditioning in the office that is loud couldn't mask the noise.

Not all the cards did it and all had their own quirks as we did send some back to be replaced and ended up with same or worse and we gave up in end sent back what we could for a refund and sold rest on ebay and the miners bought them for sure then and we replaced all with AIBS and much happier with sound levels and temps on the cards.

koeiwong · 16 Jan 2023 at 12:19

Purgatory said:
Yes that was the other problem with the FE cards sadly the coil whine and some had fans that clipped the shroud or make strange noises too, we replaced all our 3090 fe cards with aibs in the end at work over 28 of them I think last count was and they were all in sli/nvlink for our work and imagine the noise in an open office with all them running it sounded like someone running their nails down a chalkboard and even the air-conditioning in the office that is loud couldn't mask the noise.

Not all the cards did it and all had their own quirks as we did send some back to be replaced and ended up with same or worse and we gave up in end sent back what we could for a refund and sold rest on ebay and the miners bought them for sure then and we replaced all with AIBS and much happier with sound levels and temps on the cards.

Not just FE card, my friend has ROG 3090 and his card also has very bad coil whine.

Blackjack Davy · 16 Jan 2023 at 14:24

koeiwong said:
People forgot the hot gddr6x with 3080 or 3090 cards two years ago. Many people blame mining but I never mine however my 3090 memory can reach 100c to 104c easily while gaming, also the card coil whine was so bad I ended up selling it after a few months.

4000 series cooling improved a lot but every manufacturer still makes mistakes from time to time.

I remember the "space invaders" fiasco on the 2080ti's I'm not sure anyone ever got to the bottom of that one at some point reports just stopped so whatever manufacturing defect they had got fixed presumably, nvidia never acknowledged it though

brostradamus · 16 Jan 2023 at 15:06

Blackjack Davy said:
I remember the "space invaders" fiasco on the 2080ti's I'm not sure anyone ever got to the bottom of that one at some point reports just stopped so whatever manufacturing defect they had got fixed presumably, nvidia never acknowledged it though

ahh but it never spiraled out to the extent thtat nvidia had to deny replacements i think.. i believe they shipped my fe replacement as soon as the ticket was filed because i got the replacement in 2 days