AMD confirm the delay of Cayman

Nexus18 · 17 Nov 2010 at 01:55

easyrider said:
The 6970 will be on par with 580 in my book and will be cheaper

Razor Time said:
^^^^ I would wait, its only a few weeks.

+1

And for the people who must have an nvidia card instead, the price of the 580 will also drop if the 6970 beats it or/and is cheaper than it.

So, it's a win win situation for everyone.

Skyrocket · 17 Nov 2010 at 02:00

Nexus18 said:
+1

And for the people who must have an nvidia card instead, the price of the 580 will also drop if the 6970 beats it or/and is cheaper than it.

So, it's a win win situation for everyone.

I rather play some games on Christmas and boxing day. And get a decent price on my 5870 then be waiting for a delivery in Jan on a short stocked 6970...

but each to their own :-)

Nexus18 · 17 Nov 2010 at 02:20

Skyrocket said:
I rather play some games on Christmas and boxing day. And get a decent price on my 5870 then be waiting for a delivery in Jan on a short stocked 6970...

but each to their own

I am not in any rush at all as my rig still plays all games at max settings (on a low resolution at the minute though but getting a new monitor after Christmas, sometime in January as well as a new GPU, which will either be the 6870, 6950 or a 570 [that's if one does come out])

Plus how do we know that there is going to be hardly any stock for the 69xx cards?

It's still a rumor, and if it is true, then they are trying to get more stock etc. and so it should be quite a bit better then. Plus I can't see it being as bad as the 480 situation last year either, there was virtually no stock at all for them.

Not only that but there isn't exactly a lot of 580s floating around (for the better brands) either.

My comment was aimed more at the people who already have a top end system and can play games on max settings smoothly, not the ones who can't. It won't do them (the ones with the top end rigs) any harm to wait for a few weeks, unless they are dieing to have the best/latest tech just for the sake of it (which is the most likely reason) or/and they just don't want to buy an ATI card and will only consider nvidia (which is actually the more likely reason).

But as you said each to their own.

straxusii · 17 Nov 2010 at 07:23

I'm tempted to go with 580 now, I guess the 6970 will be on par and cheaper but I fancy a change to green. 6970 will be £350 I guess

D.P. · 17 Nov 2010 at 08:09

kylew said:
I think he's just arguing the technicalities of that it can't be delayed if they never officially announced the release date, and any release dates mentioned were by people under NDA. In my opinion it doesn't really matter that much because it's only 2 weeks. They'll be here before we know it.

So you mean The GTX480 was never actually delayed because Nvidia never gave an official release date, only unofficial hints.

More FanATIcs having their cake and eating it! :rolleyes:

Which is it, is Cayman delayed like the GTX480, or is it officially on time like the GTX 480 was?

ashmanuk67 · 17 Nov 2010 at 08:13

Is it true that Nvidia has far better minimum frame rates ? my motherboard is Xfire only so i am thinking of 6970 for this reason.
But i have been playing around with Xfire "disabled one card" mainly because it run's Black Ops much better, and in doing this BFBC2 runs better than i expected ? seems smoother.

This has got me thinking of buying as fast as a single card i can get my hands on and forget Xfire but then again 6870 is supposed to scale very well ? AAARRGGH this is doing my head in

My head is saying go with 6970 then when new games get hard to obtain high image quality stick another one in also should be cheaper to buy.

AtticusFinch · 17 Nov 2010 at 08:15

This

D.P. said:
So you mean The GTX480 was never actually delayed because Nvidia never gave an official release date, only unofficial hints.

More FanATIcs having their cake and eating it! Which is it, is Cayman delayed like the GTX480, or is it officially on time like the GTX 480 was?

Sharp point dude :cool:

Sayso · 17 Nov 2010 at 08:24

D.P. said:
So you mean The GTX480 was never actually delayed because Nvidia never gave an official release date, only unofficial hints.

More FanATIcs having their cake and eating it! Which is it, is Cayman delayed like the GTX480, or is it officially on time like the GTX 480 was?

well you should know by now normally sensible people become idiots on this part of the forum for some unexplainable reason!!

i hope they release soon as i will be in the market for a new card in the new year and a nice price war will mean i can buy a better card than the 470/6870 than i can afford now, hopefully by Feb i will be able to get a 480 or 6950? for around 250

Freddie1980 · 17 Nov 2010 at 13:07

If the 6970 is faster then the gtx580 I would expect Nvidia to release a GTX585 or GTX580 v2 within one month of caymans release. Nvidia are far to vein not to have the top single gpu performance crown.

Jibber55 · 17 Nov 2010 at 13:11

ashmanuk67 said:
Is it true that Nvidia has far better minimum frame rates ? my motherboard is Xfire only so i am thinking of 6970 for this reason.
But i have been playing around with Xfire "disabled one card" mainly because it run's Black Ops much better, and in doing this BFBC2 runs better than i expected ? seems smoother.

I'm not sure about Nvidia getting better mins than ATI or vise versa tbh. You get a more stable min frame rate when comparing multi gpu setups with single gpu set ups sometimes but thats about it. Both sides win and loose in different games.
There are some on here that like to scare monger about multi-gpu setups for some reason but my experience of both sides has been good over all.

Jibber55 · 17 Nov 2010 at 13:11

Freddie1980 said:
If the 6970 is faster then the gtx580 I would expect Nvidia to release a GTX585 or GTX580 v2 within one month of caymans release. Nvidia are far to vein not to have the top single gpu performance crown.

Can they do this so quickly?

Freddie1980 · 17 Nov 2010 at 13:26

Jibber55 said:
Can they do this so quickly?

Well a month is a number I pulled out of my arse but how long was it between the HD4870 and the GTX250 216sp? I seem to remember it wasn't that long so they can get a new card out quickly if required.

jigger · 17 Nov 2010 at 13:41

I think they will have a paper launch ready to go again. But it will be like the two fermi cards launched before, very limited numbers and no cards for months after that.

They might even announce "pre release" the 28nm GTX680.

Anyway, I was planning on picking up three HD6850's, I might make that three HD6870's now, not sure if that makes me happy or sad...

Baboonanza · 17 Nov 2010 at 13:41

Freddie1980 said:
If the 6970 is faster then the gtx580 I would expect Nvidia to release a GTX585 or GTX580 v2 within one month of caymans release. Nvidia are far to vein not to have the top single gpu performance crown.

I'm not sure what they could do though. If the 580 is a 480 with efficiency improvements and all the clusters enabled where would they go from there? Any increase in shader clusters would require a whole new chip design, which will take much longer than is feasible as a response.

Their only option would be to increase standard clocks, essentially selling an OC'ed 580 as a 585. Hardly very promising.

Tute · 17 Nov 2010 at 13:49

Skyrocket said:
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Wow, you're a real "glass is half empty" kinda guy aren't you?

D.P. said:
So you mean The GTX480 was never actually delayed because Nvidia never gave an official release date, only unofficial hints.

More FanATIcs having their cake and eating it! Which is it, is Cayman delayed like the GTX480, or is it officially on time like the GTX 480 was?

Good grief, wrong side of bed? Kyle's right you know.

Cenuij · 17 Nov 2010 at 14:19

jigger said:
They might even announce "pre release" the 28nm GTX680.

I rather suspect the next nvidia announcement will be GTX570 and GTX560, end of Jan, start of Feb...

Mr Krugga · 17 Nov 2010 at 14:50

jigger said:
Anyway, I was planning on picking up three HD6850's, I might make that three HD6870's now, not sure if that makes me happy or sad...

Not sure if I know what you mean but Crossfire 6850/70 works with two cards only mate.

kylew · 17 Nov 2010 at 14:50

D.P. said:
So you mean The GTX480 was never actually delayed because Nvidia never gave an official release date, only unofficial hints.

More FanATIcs having their cake and eating it! Which is it, is Cayman delayed like the GTX480, or is it officially on time like the GTX 480 was?

Why would I want cake if I wasn't going to eat it? :confused:

If you want to be an arse about it though, I'm pretty sure dear Leader (Jen-Hsun Huang) was the one who said Fermi was coming November 2009 in some PR event, then another date in another PR event. Good job comparing 2 weeks to 6 months though...

If 2 weeks comes and passes, they "announce" another date which also comes and goes and we end up seeing Cayman chips mid 2011, then yeah your point would stand, but at the moment you're just having a whinge and saying things that don't make sense.

jigger · 17 Nov 2010 at 14:56

Not much point making a big noise about the midrange models, but the GTX475 might get a mention. Nvidia will need to make it look like they are still in the races and the "Worlds fastest single GPU" headline seems the only chance they have of convincing people.
The HD6950 release would seem like a good time to talk about the GTX475, but I think that battle will all ready have been lost, and with ATI hard launching, Nvidia only have a week or so to get the cards on sale.

The HD6990 launch might be the best time to announce the GTX680, as they have no chance of matching that card for at least 12 months. But if the story's are true about the the dual 6900 cores, and the on card crossfire performance makes for a silly fast card they risk missing boat, because of all the *OMG look how fast the 6990 is* news that will be flying around.

IMO, Nvidia will be under a lot of pressure to launch a card from the distant future again, to give the impression they have managed to close the gap, and buy them some more time from the market annalists.

jigger · 17 Nov 2010 at 15:01

Mr Krugga said:
Not sure if I know what you mean but Crossfire 6850/70 works with two cards only mate.

Its for three separate systems, I'm a one man one GPU guy, unless the HD6970 scaling is hitting a constant 75% and over, then I might get another HD6970, or maybe a pair of HD6950's :confused: