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AMD declining R&D budget....

If as Humbug pointed out the overall profit is $400mil then in this section AMD are doing well. If other parts of the business are not which the overall loss suggest's then it still means AMD are doing well in the custom SOC business.

Basically it's other parts of the business that are causing amd to lose money each year making the ps4 and xbox one deal a good win.

AFAICT, humbug hasn't posted any links to his figure.

the most recent financial statement form AMD reported a 330million dollar loss [EDIT in Q4].


Even if we accept his figure of a recent 400m profit, the other business must be loosing billions if you think AMD get close to $100 profit per console.
Hint, they don't They get $100 a console to make a chip and have to subsume all manufacturing and R&D costs therein.
 
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AFAICT, humbug hasn't posted any links to his figure.

the most recent financial statement form AMD reported a 330million dollar loss [EDIT in Q4].


Even if we accept his figure of a recent 400m profit, the other business must be loosing billions if you think AMD get close to $100 profit per console.
Hint, they don't They get $100 a console to make a chip and have to subsume all manufacturing and R&D costs therein.

It is the rest of the business. As early as 2013 the console sales were helping AMD and they are still selling well today at along the lines of record numbers.

http://techreport.com/news/25527/thanks-to-consoles-amd-posts-first-profit-in-over-a-year
 
The bottom line, no matter how you dress it up is AMD are in trouble.


http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-releases-disastrous-Q4-2014-earnings-report.134895.0.html

So with dwindling R&D and dwindling staff, AMD need a miracle. Defend them as much as you like but the facts (Yes, FACTS) don't lie.



Stock prices are terrible as well.

Nobody is denying that AMD are not doing well overall. What this argument is about is the custom SOC business and with a little googling you will find it's about the only section of AMD's business that is doing well atm. This includes the console chips.
 
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I'm pretty sure humbug did not see the word loss after here saw the 400m operating profit because as you say, they made a 400m loss not profit.


Your missreading that so completely, what you are reading there is total losses. You were talking about PS4 margins, thats Semi-Custom. i gave you the figures for Semi-Custom over and over again.

Its getting really bad in here with you constantly trying to shout me down about stuff you so obviously know nothing at all about.

Here, first table up from the bottom.


http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=2008997
 
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Nobody is denying that AMD are not doing well overall. What this argument is about is the custom SOC business and with a little googling you will find it's about the only section of AMD's business that is doing well atm. This includes the console chips.

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So are AMD running at a loss or should I butter it up and only mention the divisions that are doing well?
 

It isn't a hard question. Are AMD running at a loss or should I butter it up? Meaning should we only talk about the divisions that are doing well, so as to not upset the usual suspects?

Reduced R&D
Reduced Staff
Reduced output
Reduced sales

That isn't a good picture, so AMD need a miracle. And I hope they can get one, as nVidia will happily charge £900 every time for a new flagship card without competition.
 
It isn't a hard question. Are AMD running at a loss or should I butter it up? Meaning should we only talk about the divisions that are doing well, so as to not upset the usual suspects?

Reduced R&D
Reduced Staff
Reduced output
Reduced sales

That isn't a good picture, so AMD need a miracle. And I hope they can get one, as nVidia will happily charge £900 every time for a new flagship card without competition.

We were not talking about that end of story. The last few pages have been about the consoles (Custom Soc) and margins. Your post was about the whole business which everybody knows is in bad shape and is not being disputed from what i have read.
 
Your missreading that so completely, what you are reading there is total losses. You were talking about PS4 margins, thats Semi-Custom. i gave you the figures for Semi-Custom over and over again.

Its getting really bad in here with you constantly trying to shout me down about stuff you so obviously know nothing at all about.

Here, first table up from the bottom.


http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=2008997


semi-custom icnludes a lot more than console, it include a load of custom server and other solutions which are known to be highly profitable


AMD has made some fraction of 400m profit form console sales, which is exactly what I said (50-200m) which quite clearly shows that their profit margin on their console sales in in the few dollars per part, not the $100 you were dreaming of. In2014 AMD shifted around 20 million APUs to MS and Sony, if your $100 profit was remotely right then AMD's semi-custom division would have made 2billion on top of the other X hundred million form their highly profitable custom server solution.

Even if every single dime of that 400m was form pure console sales that is around $20 per console which already drastically lower than your estimate., and that is being extremely generous because AMD's other custom solutions are known to be their bread and butter. AMD likely made more like 50-100 million from consoles, so $2.50- 5 profit per console, exactly as I said.


Thanks for proving me right with your own numbers.
 
We were not talking about that end of story. The last few pages have been about the consoles (Custom Soc) and margins. Your post was about the whole business which everybody knows is in bad shape and is not being disputed from what i have read.

My bad, I looked at the thread title and took that as what we was talking about. :o

So I guess when you look at the consoles, AMD are doing brilliantly. Well done AMD and great to see :rolleyes:
 
My bad, I looked at the thread title and took that as what we was talking about. :o

So I guess when you look at the consoles, AMD are doing brilliantly. Well done AMD and great to see :rolleyes:

Yea because threads around here are always on topic. I must have been reading a different forum all these years :D:D:D:D:D.
 
We were not talking about that end of story. The last few pages have been about the consoles (Custom Soc) and margins. Your post was about the whole business which everybody knows is in bad shape and is not being disputed from what i have read.

Which is Gregs specialty in bring in things that are not in dispute and then quotes and replies as if they were and totally ignoring what was said and the context to the quote he is replying to..
 
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Which is Gregs specialty in bring in things that are not in dispute and then quotes and replies as if they were and totally ignoring what was said and the context to the quote he is replying to..

Try and stick to the thread topic. If you want to talk about anything else, make a new thread perhaps?
 
You can buy a 4 core Jaguar.
How is that anything close to the 8 core Jaguar with beefed up GPU in the console?!

And you might get some anti Nvidia threads is AMD released anything :p

Probably dude, probably. Always the same hehe.

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So are AMD running at a loss or should I butter it up and only mention the divisions that are doing well?

You have absolutely no idea what's going on at AMD and you never will. You just listen to your Chinese whispers.

Of course revenue is down, they're investing into a new CPU. Speculate to accumulate etc. Bottom line is the liquidators ain't moving in so there's nothing to fret about.

It's just funny that this crap constantly seems to happen whenever Nvidia have let out a guff.
 
Try and stick to the thread topic. If you want to talk about anything else, make a new thread perhaps?

When you have your own forum then you can make the rules.

The topic itself has nothing to discuss which seem to be repeated every other week with some other site saying the same thing with other words, hence why the branching context of where its making money and where its losing because there is nothing else to talk about because everyone already knows the bottom line of the topic and if you are having a hard time with finding others to talk about the bottom line then that's hard luck.
 
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You have absolutely no idea what's going on at AMD and you never will. You just listen to your Chinese whispers.

Of course revenue is down, they're investing into a new CPU. Speculate to accumulate etc. Bottom line is the liquidators ain't moving in so there's nothing to fret about.

It's just funny that this crap constantly seems to happen whenever Nvidia have let out a guff.

Well you are wrong there, as everything AMD do from a financial point has to be accounted for and this information is freely available on the internetz.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/amd-reports-2014-fourth-quarter-211500020.html

Quite a detailed report there of losses and gains.

Another here

http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=2008997

So you can see what is making and what is losing quite easily.
 
semi-custom icnludes a lot more than console, it include a load of custom server and other solutions which are known to be highly profitable


Thanks for proving me right with your own numbers.

First off, AMD makes precisely $0 off other 'semi-custom' products, you are categorically wrong. They have TWO semi custom chips being sold, one in each console, they have two more design wins for two more semi custom chips to start production sometime this year and to be sold some time this year, there is not a single cent of revenue or profit in the semi custom division from any product outside the PS4 and XO chip, so you are actually entirely wrong.

AS for the losses AMD have made, effectively none of the loss last year was cash losses at all.

One year people believe your house is worth £500k and you have £50k cash in the bank, the next year despite still having £50k cash in your bank, someone decides your house is worth £400k, and you can be said to have lost £100k, but only in perceived value of the house, you have lost NO money.

This is what the situation is at AMD, they took a write down in their value, but in terms of producing products, then selling them, they did not lose £300million that quarter, the massive majority of those written down profits had exactly nothing to do with day to day profit/losses from products. AMD outside of the outside value of the company, effectively broke even last year despite having a poor year in sales.

Anyone who knew what AMD was doing can see there was going to be a couple of lean years. They dropped Bulldozer development, brought in some of the industries best engineers and got to work on new architectures. It was a change in their schedule and plan and that means a 2 year hole in cpu/apu products of meaningful quality. To break even during this period is a very positive result, they made much bigger losses before last year, they improved their effective profit dramatically while also basically breaking even and restructuring.

They will have new products in 2016 for desktop, server and at minimum two semi custom contracts to add to the income and profits in that part of the business. In the same way the perceived value of the company can go down without making any real cash losses , the value can increase. With 2 years of little to no cpu/apu products and slowing sales the perceived value was ALWAYS going to decrease, it was expected by anyone with half a brain.

If Intel said "we're dumping Core and bringing something new but it will take 2 years" their value would decrease over the 2 years, but both Intel and AMD will bounce back when said new products come out.

AMD could make a lets say 500mil actual cash profit in 2016 as a result of increased sales of new products... but that would likely bump their perceived value up by a significant amount on top of that. So they might post accounts showing 1.5billion profit, but only 500mil of that is actually 'real' profit.
 
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