AMD Desktop Processors Not Getting DDR4 and a Post Bulldozer Architecture till 2016 – Claims Italian

[Gregster]

[Rumor] The Italian site bitsandchips.it has posted something quite radical today. Citing inside sources, the website claims that the FM2+ socket is sticking around till 2016,and we won’t be seeing DDR4 Support on desktop till the same time. It also claimed that we will not be getting a post Bulldozer architecture till 2016. Needless to say a pinch of salt is a must here.AMD Excavator Performance

AMD FM3+ Socket, DDR4 Support and Post-Bulldozer Architecture in 2016, Carrizo Notebook Only till then – Alleges Italian Report
Ironically, I posted my speculation on AMD’s 12 Core truckload teaser a few hours ago and discussed multiple possibilities. While these ranged from 12 Compute Cores, to 12 Steamroller Cores to a New Architecture, if this report is correct then that pretty much throws all of that out the window (excluding HSA). The report claims that AMD’s FM2+ socket is going to stick around till 2016. Since DDR4 is going to come with the FM3+ socket, the Italian site says that we will not be seeing DDR4 on any desktop products till 2016. The report seems pretty confident about these facts and cites them as such. Summarizing:
AMD’s FM3+ Socket in 2016.
New Post Bulldozer/SMT Architecture in 2016.
No DDR4 Support in Desktop Processors till 2016.
It then goes further into speculation, clearly marking it so, and saying that Carrizo may not arrive in the desktop sector till 2016 and it might be released instead on the FP4 BGA Socket. Now we had leaks that previously stated that Carrizo APU will have DDR4 support, and we also had reliable information from CPU-World that Carrizo is going to come in a FP4 BGA Socket. Now Excavator is a revision of Bulldozer so we should be seeing that in this time frame of 1.5 years. After which, the alleged shift from CMT to SMT is scheduled (and therefore a completely new architecture will arrive). Consider the fact that we have only ever heard about the Carrizo APU for the notebook platform and this report starts to make some serious sense.


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If there is any truth to this rumor (which I hope for AMD's sake there isn't), this could be very bad news for AMD. This is one rumor I hope is wrong.

 

[Martini1991]

I think this is currently expected.
Whatever amd launch, they need to do it on ddr4 as a high end platform for their new architecture. I expect them to launch a ddr4 platform after intel too.

Although I'd hope like late 2015, but this far piledriver is coming up 2 years old.

 

[cheesyboy]

I wouldn't place too much authority on much of that.

2016 is when K12 is scheduled. It would be a monumental fail, and slippage of schedule, if Carrizo (excavator) didn't arrive next year. Carrizo replaces Kaveri, there is no FX excavator.

There's not much point in AMD adding DDR4 support to Carrizo, but I suspect it's already included on the IO with support for DDR3 and DDR4. AMD are reliant on DDR4 becoming mainstream and cheap enough for it to be worthwhile introducing a DDR4 platform. That probably isn't going to happen pre-2016, so DDR4 can wait until K12

As Excavator isn't coming to their FX line (or the big opterons), it wouldn't make sense to provide a DDR4 platform to support APUs costing £100, when you have to pay more than that for the memory.

 

[Martini1991]

I expect the excavator APU to come out next year, I'm more on about the AM3+ successor.
But AMD need to sort out bandwidth for the IGP or they're going to stall (Which to an extent Kaveri over Trinity already does).

How does Iris Pro stack up to Kaveri? Ignoring that Kaveri's far more efficient.

 

[Orangey]

How long did it take DDR3 to become "worth it" over DDR2? As there won't be much benefit that I can see early on. 2016 seems laughably far away though.

 

[FoxEye]

Old news, and it's been reported the same in a number of places.

http://techreport.com/review/26418/amd-reveals-k12-new-arm-and-x86-cores-are-coming

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/34769-amd-plans-new-architecture-for-2016

Keller's new architecture won't hit until 2016, but it'll be worth waiting for, we hope.

 

[cheesyboy]

I expect the excavator APU to come out next year, I'm more on about the AM3+ successor.
But AMD need to sort out bandwidth for the IGP or they're going to stall (Which to an extent Kaveri over Trinity already does).

How does Iris Pro stack up to Kaveri? Ignoring that Kaveri's far more efficient.

Bandwidth is an issue for gaming, but the APUs aren't "for" gaming. For less memory bandwidth intensive tasks (HSA, basically), DDR3 shouldn't bottleneck.

In any case, DDR4 won't solve that bandwidth bottleneck. Even 4Mhz memory (which we aren't going to see affordably available until at least a couple of years into DDR4) doesn't give Radeon 7770 bandwidth equivalence with dual channels. Quad channel is too costly for the budget APUs

If there's a market for it (I have no idea), AMD could consider a high end Iris-pro competitor, with on-die memory. I don't know how this would work with HSA, though - since CPU and iGPU should be sharing memory resources (i think?), on-die memory might not add much to that side. And AMD's CPU side is too weak for a high-end product.

 

[Tute]

I'd like to see them push Hybrid Crossfire to allow you to pair a strong iGPU with something like an R290 - given how graphics dependant a lot of things are these days it might well help close the gap in gaming.

 

[Mal X]

``Since we're talking about a replacement for Bulldozer, this is an entirely different class of beast from the "Puma+" and Cortex-A57 cores in the first SkyBridge parts. AMD's execs noted that these are high-frequency, high-performance CPU cores that will span the range from laptops to desktops to servers—and not just "microservers." We don't know exactly how big they'll be compared to Bulldozer or, say, Haswell. The smartest play might be to aim for something a little smaller than those cores, but that's the basic class of performance they're undoubtedly meant to achieve. AMD is returning to its roots, aiming to produce a best-in-class big core.``

So you're looking at the start of 2016 for this cpu and DDR4 ......so next year feels a bit like a ``Dead pool``, because Intels version of DDR4 wont be fully mature in 2015 either.

so if one was thinking of a DDR 4 upgrade it may be wise to wait till we see this new AMD cpu in the reviews

mind you, it could be another disaster just like all the rest couldn't it

they're saying that they want this new AMD CPU ``base model`` to be slightly less than what Intel have in 2016 (whatever that is), they mention Haswell in 2016..... no, Haswell will be history by then, they've got that wrong

 

[Mal X]

How long did it take DDR3 to become "worth it" over DDR2? As there won't be much benefit that I can see early on. 2016 seems laughably far away though.

it does yes, but next years Intels look shaky too, they're not quite sure what to do.....it's not really 2016, you'll know what to do by december 2015

my guess is to make the Haswell last 2 full years from now, just make sure you get a really good GPU.....so the next mobo/ cpu upgrade will be late 2016

If AMD have it right this time they have the upper hand, because Intel are the only ones next year that can fall on their own sword....AMD just wait and watch

i'm sick of Intel i want to return to AMD anyway

 

[bru]

Bandwidth is an issue for gaming, but the APUs aren't "for" gaming. For less memory bandwidth intensive tasks (HSA, basically), DDR3 shouldn't bottleneck.

AMD doesn't seem to agree with you

Taken from here

http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/apu

 

[humbug]

That slide is more than a year old.

 

[MrMarvelous]

God I hope this isn't true. If it is, AMD look ****ed.

 

[ALXAndy]

God I hope this isn't true. If it is, AMD look ****ed.

Why? why is DDR4 so important?

AMD are just being sensible. It's a new technology, it's expensive, AMD are not about expensive. They are more about making things that the masses buy, rather than the elite few.

If people only understood this they would stop expecting AMD to come along with something that's going to compete with Intel. They aren't, get over it.

Intel spend billions in research, development, die shrinking ETC. AMD can not do that, they simply don't have the funds.

AMD will use DDR4 when the time is right. Intel have wasted money on so many technologies that never caught on. We're not all using quad channel memory, we're not all using triple channel memory, etc etc.

 

[humbug]

Why? why is DDR4 so important?

AMD are just being sensible. It's a new technology, it's expensive, AMD are not about expensive. They are more about making things that the masses buy, rather than the elite few.

If people only understood this they would stop expecting AMD to come along with something that's going to compete with Intel. They aren't, get over it.

Intel spend billions in research, development, die shrinking ETC. AMD can not do that, they simply don't have the funds.

AMD will use DDR4 when the time is right. Intel have wasted money on so many technologies that never caught on. We're not all using quad channel memory, we're not all using triple channel memory, etc etc.

Yeah, AMD can't win, they could invest substantial amounts of money into getting competitive CPU's out fast and at regular intervals, but they will lose that investment.
For all the talk of wanting AMD to be competitive with Intel a lot of them are not interested in AMD CPU's, they just want AMD to force cheaper Intel prices.

AMD realised they couldn't win because of this ages ago, AMD just cater for those without Intel brand snobbery and those who don't listen to some of the exaggerated tripe that's out there, at least that way they stand a chance of getting their investment back.

AMD will bring out much improved CPU's, but they will do it in a time frame thats not going to cost them a fortune which they will never get back.

 

[Dave2150]

Why? why is DDR4 so important?

AMD are just being sensible. It's a new technology, it's expensive, AMD are not about expensive. They are more about making things that the masses buy, rather than the elite few.

If people only understood this they would stop expecting AMD to come along with something that's going to compete with Intel. They aren't, get over it.

Intel spend billions in research, development, die shrinking ETC. AMD can not do that, they simply don't have the funds.

AMD will use DDR4 when the time is right. Intel have wasted money on so many technologies that never caught on. We're not all using quad channel memory, we're not all using triple channel memory, etc etc.

295x says hi. A £1100 graphics card simply shows that if AMD have a premium product (if they are able to make one, cpu or gpu) they will charge a premium and make it for elite few.

We can be sure that if AMD had enough R&D budget, there would be a FX CPU/chipset coming for DDR4 etc which would be equally expensive as Haswell -E will be.

 

[McstylisT]

295x says hi. A £1100 graphics card simply shows that if AMD have a premium product (if they are able to make one, cpu or gpu) they will charge a premium and make it for elite few.

We can be sure that if AMD had enough R&D budget, there would be a FX CPU/chipset coming for DDR4 etc which would be equally expensive as Haswell -E will be.

I am sure this would be the case. ...

 

[Mal X]

295x says hi. A £1100 graphics card simply shows that if AMD have a premium product (if they are able to make one, cpu or gpu) they will charge a premium and make it for elite few.

We can be sure that if AMD had enough R&D budget, there would be a FX CPU/chipset coming for DDR4 etc which would be equally expensive as Haswell -E will be.

no the 295x2 isn't that expensive is it, not compared to the Titan Z, It's price is about right

but 500 quid for an 8 core Haswell E is total rubbish, esp when it's clock speed is only 3.0 to 3.3...

AMD will bounce back, i cant wait

 

[james.miller]

no the 295x2 isn't that expensive is it, not compared to the Titan Z, It's price is about right

but 500 quid for an 8 core Haswell E is total rubbish, esp when it's clock speed is only 3.0 to 3.3...

AMD will bounce back, i cant wait

Lol. it's not expensive because its cheaper than the most expensive gpu on the planet.

Good reasoning as usual, Mal!

 

[Svyper1]

Why? why is DDR4 so important?
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omg that is the most laughable excuse of denial i've ever heard.

"Why? why is DDR4 so important?
AMD are just being sensible."

XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXD

so basically the logic is it's more sensible to stay the same and not improve on anything...that's like the dark ages and blasphemy making it a sin to advance in science...

We'd be colonising space by now if it werent for that type of thinking.

It's apparently more sensible to wait until prices have fallen or whatever? right, and so people who have bought DDR4 products for 1.5 - 2 years bringing in millions £/$ for intel is a benefit for AMD???

...

It is a fact. Any company who fails to develop and adapt will go bust sooner or later.

which btw the reason the 295x2 is "cheaper" than titans or any other product because of:
* AMD are not in any competitive revenue advantage of the whole computing industry therefore are selling at a much lower profit margin and therefore will inevitably spiral down to being bust...