AMD fine wine

GhostDog1981 · 14 Jul 2023 at 08:55

Just recently got an AMD card in April and really enjoying the performance- massive upgrade over my 60ti. Managed to OC it and get a better timespy score than stock 4080 for 50% less price so happy with that!

Wanted to gauge thoughts as to whether we might think driver updates (aka fine wine) might get another 10-15% out of the 7900xt to beat the 4080 at raster?

sb89 · 14 Jul 2023 at 09:07

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gjbf1 · 14 Jul 2023 at 09:08

GhostDog1981 said:
Just recently got an AMD card in April and really enjoying the performance- massive upgrade over my 60ti. Managed to OC it and get a better timespy score than stock 4080 for 50% less price so happy with that!

Wanted to gauge thoughts as to whether we might think driver updates (aka fine wine) might get another 10-15% out of the 7900xt to beat the 4080 at raster?

I saw a post with some data that showed that 6000 series improving but up to 10%.

Tetras · 14 Jul 2023 at 13:39

I expect it'll get that, over the lifetime of the card, but the 4080 will likely improve too, so the biggest jump might come from VRAM limited scenarios like in HUB's 3070 v 6800 video.

JediFragger · 14 Jul 2023 at 13:44

GhostDog1981 said:
better timespy score

Great game that

eddyr · 14 Jul 2023 at 16:23

I know I'm not the only one long tired of the trope. Please stop with the AMD fine wine stuff.

You buy based on being agreeable to the price/performance on the day. The expectation of some possible future jump in performance is just setting yourself up for disappointment (regardless whether you're doing it before or after purchase).

eeii · 15 Jul 2023 at 01:15

eddyr said:
I know I'm not the only one long tired of the trope. Please stop with the AMD fine wine stuff.

You buy based on being agreeable to the price/performance on the day. The expectation of some possible future jump in performance is just setting yourself up for disappointment (regardless whether you're doing it before or after purchase).

Not with AMD cards all mine have got better with ageing driver optimisation.

Hotwired · 15 Jul 2023 at 01:29

I can think of better thinks to invest hope into than driver updates giving a couple more fps.

GhostDog1981 · 15 Jul 2023 at 01:30

Hotwired said:
I can think of better thinks to invest hope into than driver updates giving a couple more fps.

Nice bonus though for people who opted to support Team Red.

Grim5 · 15 Jul 2023 at 01:56

GhostDog1981 said:
Just recently got an AMD card in April and really enjoying the performance- massive upgrade over my 60ti. Managed to OC it and get a better timespy score than stock 4080 for 50% less price so happy with that!

Wanted to gauge thoughts as to whether we might think driver updates (aka fine wine) might get another 10-15% out of the 7900xt to beat the 4080 at raster?

Given that amd is still frequently releasing new drivers to try and fix the high power draw, I would not be surprised if there was additional untapped performance due to driver issues they haven't figured out how to fix yet

gjbf1 · 15 Jul 2023 at 08:24

Grim5 said:
Given that amd is still frequently releasing new drivers to try and fix the high power draw, I would not be surprised if there was additional untapped performance due to driver issues they haven't figured out how to fix yet

Yes perhaps that's not their current focus. Let's hope there is more potential as uplift over 6000 is a bit disappointingly.

Vexr · 15 Jul 2023 at 08:44

Could be like the 5700 XT vs 1080 Ti. The Radeon was initially slightly worse in performance, but a couple of years later had slightly overtaken the GeForce. The 1080 Ti was an older card though, whereas the 4080 and 7900 XT are same gen.

GhostDog1981 · 15 Jul 2023 at 08:46

Vexr said:
Could be like the 5700 XT vs 1080 Ti. The Radeon was initially slightly worse in performance, but a couple of years later had slightly overtaken the GeForce. The 1080 Ti was an older card though, whereas the 4080 and 7900 XT are same gen.

Even now with a bit of overclocking you can gain 6-7% performance at the cost of power draw to almost hit the stock performance of a 4080 at rasterisation.

Hoping fine wine brings it to match the 4080 without overclocking.

JediFragger · 15 Jul 2023 at 10:40

GhostDog1981 said:
Even now with a bit of overclocking you can gain 6-7% performance at the cost of power draw to almost hit the stock performance of a 4080 at rasterisation.

You run 400W and I'll run 225W same speed

GhostDog1981 · 15 Jul 2023 at 10:43

JediFragger said:
You run 400W and I'll run 225W same speed

That’s true. 4080 will cost less in the long run with leccy.

JediFragger · 15 Jul 2023 at 10:51

GhostDog1981 said:
That’s true. 4080 will cost less in the long run with leccy.

And heat, love a cool running system :cool:

eeii · 15 Jul 2023 at 11:21

Fair play to Nvidia they seem to get the most out of there drivers from day one which I think is amazing. AMD seem to take years to get the best out of the Hardware. The bonus being AMD users performance getting better over time.

tommybhoy · 15 Jul 2023 at 14:32

GhostDog1981 said:
That’s true. 4080 will cost less in the long run with leccy.

How long per day over how many years do you have to play games for your GPU to use ~£450 extra over the savings in leccy a 4080 would bring?

tommybhoy · 15 Jul 2023 at 14:41

They both have a launch day performance delta, but AMD starts on 75% and NV on 95% and both hit 100% over 2/3 years leaving bigger potential gains for AMD.

I'd say AMD launches with a hangover and then gets drunk all over again. :cry:

gjbf1 · 15 Jul 2023 at 14:55

JediFragger said:
And heat, love a cool running system

This. Temps are important with GPUs as hungry as this, trying to cool 500w cards adds complication to your build. Reducing global warming is not bad thing either.