AMD FX 8320 analysis

teppic · 20 Nov 2013 at 21:56

The 760 shouldn't beat the 7970 in anything. You see up to 50% leads for the 7970.

Martini1991 · 20 Nov 2013 at 22:02

I think you're drastically under estimating the 760.

It performs like a 670, game depending, it can beat a 7970.

BurntProc · 20 Nov 2013 at 22:04

Martini1991 said:
Then you must look like you're crying while you're playing games

I don't really want 41 FPS, but we're talking about a chip which has been replaced twice and still has a possible 1.7GHZ left in the tank.

Well overclocking it doesn't seem to remove the problem of crappy frames in AC3:
http://benchmark3d.com/assassins-creed-3-benchmark

Also, those 2 "replacements" don't really enhance it, as the IPC improvements are lost in reduced overclocking headroom. As far as I'm aware AC3 is also unaffected by the new instruction sets either. It's just a boring console port where the engineering is just as bad as a gameplay :-)

It's just a shame we aren't getting any proper CPU upgrades in 2014 - intel keep whinging that the PC market is declining - no bloody wonder when there is no point upgrading! Here's to hoping we don't get laptop chips when skylake/excavator land.

teppic · 20 Nov 2013 at 22:05

Anno 2070
1920 x 1080 [Kein AA/16xAF] 42,6 64,4 (+51,0%)

Sleeping Dogs
1920 x 1080 [SSAA/16xAF] 47,9 71,8 (+49,9%)

Tomb Raider (2013)
1920 x 1080 [Kein AA/16xAF] 37,4 53,2 (+42,1%)

The 760 doesn't beat the 7970. I've got 670s and I had a 7970, I know how they perform

Martini1991 · 20 Nov 2013 at 22:30

Typed in GTX 670 review, first hit and first game ; http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2012/11/12/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-670-2gb-review/3

There's games that 670/760 are up their with the 79XX.

I'd pick a 7950 as better.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7103/nvidia-geforce-gtx-760-review

That's first hit on a 760 review, I only checked a few, but it's trading blows with the 7950 (And in some games, a 7970)

I think you're drastically underestimating the 760.

You do get the odd result where the 760 is outplayed. But I don't think Nvidia care, they must be turning ridiculous profit from GK104 and their name sells.

gpuerrilla · 20 Nov 2013 at 22:53

Martini1991 said:
You do get the odd result where the 760 is outplayed. But I don't think Nvidia care, they must be turning ridiculous profit from GK104 and their name sells.

That's just skimming over what is the better card though, who cares about name when it comes to performance?

alex_123_fra · 20 Nov 2013 at 23:13

I have owned 2 x Winforce OC 670s which were superb clockers and actually beat many 680s and 7970s in benchmarks (see the 3DMark 11 thread). In real world gaming though, my 7950s felt smoother and faster. Reason I sold the 670s was due to stutter.

I don't think the 760 or 670 is in the same league as decent 7970s to be honest. The latter is easily the superior card.

nikki5974 · 20 Nov 2013 at 23:13

I would rather have the 7970 than 760 anyday of the week

Martini1991 · 20 Nov 2013 at 23:26

nikki5974 said:
I would rather have the 7970 than 760 anyday of the week

As any sane person would, the 7970 is the better card.

alex_123_fra said:
I have owned 2 x Winforce OC 670s which were superb clockers and actually beat many 680s and 7970s in benchmarks (see the 3DMark 11 thread). In real world gaming though, my 7950s felt smoother and faster. Reason I sold the 670s was due to stutter.

I don't think the 760 or 670 is in the same league as decent 7970s to be honest. The latter is easily the superior card.

Factually Crossfire was worse than SLI up until a while ago, so finding Crossfire better than SLI, strange , that said I used it in the "dark days" and found it fine.

I think the 7970 is the better card, I was just showing that the 670/760 can and does match up game depending.

BurntProc · 20 Nov 2013 at 23:44

My last nvidia (8800GTS) was a major disappointment and I've had nothing but ATI since. Although I've been frustrated with my 7970 due to voltage lock lameness so I'm leaning towards nvidia for my next move.

I plan to swap monitors next week, undecided on which though. If I load up 1440p, I think my non-overclockable 7970 will crumble and need to be replaced - if it copes I'll hold out for 20nm cards.

almighty15 · 21 Nov 2013 at 06:18

BurntProc said:
My last nvidia (8800GTS) was a major disappointment and I've had nothing but ATI since. Although I've been frustrated with my 7970 due to voltage lock lameness so I'm leaning towards nvidia for my next move.

Email me your BIOS in trust and I'll sort that for you later this afternnon

Marine-RX179 · 21 Nov 2013 at 07:35

BurntProc said:
My last nvidia (8800GTS) was a major disappointment and I've had nothing but ATI since. Although I've been frustrated with my 7970 due to voltage lock lameness so I'm leaning towards nvidia for my next move.

Em...didn't Nvidia forced their partners to lock down the voltage (even on MSI Lightning and EVGA Classified if I remember correctly) on the GTX680 because they were rebadging it to the GTX770 and want to make it "look" a fair margin faster than the GTX680? :confused:

ALXAndy · 21 Nov 2013 at 09:58

Marine-RX179 said:
Em...didn't Nvidia forced their partners to lock down the voltage (even on MSI Lightning and EVGA Classified if I remember correctly) on the GTX680 because they were rebadging it to the GTX770 and want to make it "look" a fair margin faster than the GTX680?

I think they just wanted to cut down on RMA tbh. They locked all of the 6 series.

teppic · 21 Nov 2013 at 10:01

It's easy to find older benchmarks of the 670 doing better because at launch the 79xx drivers were bad. It's irrelevant to today though.

ALXAndy · 21 Nov 2013 at 10:27

teppic said:
It's easy to find older benchmarks of the 670 doing better because at launch the 79xx drivers were bad. It's irrelevant to today though.

Yeah I was going to say that tbh. Early reviews showed the 670 in a much better light than now.

Having said that though there were a couple of incidents during benching that my 670s were slightly ahead of the 7990. They had a higher overall FPS than my 7990 in BF4, yet the min on the 7990 was 20 FPS higher and that's the one that counts.

teppic · 21 Nov 2013 at 10:30

SLI and Crossfire can make a difference too. Nvidia favouring games like Metro 2033/Last Light and Crysis 3 are going to do best on the 670s and may scale better with SLI.

almighty15 · 21 Nov 2013 at 12:59

teppic said:
SLI and Crossfire can make a difference too. Nvidia favouring games like Metro 2033/Last Light and Crysis 3 are going to do best on the 670s and may scale better with SLI.

Dude the AMD cards muller the Nvidia cards when it comes to Metro 2033

teppic · 21 Nov 2013 at 13:07

Not sure about 2033 as it's pretty old now, but Last Light definitely favours nvidia, and they're both nvidia sponsored games using the same engine.

ALXAndy · 21 Nov 2013 at 13:55

I'll try and test 2033 later so long as it will run without needing to download anything else.

Marine-RX179 · 21 Nov 2013 at 14:10

teppic said:
Not sure about 2033 as it's pretty old now, but Last Light definitely favours nvidia, and they're both nvidia sponsored games using the same engine.

It's not that simple...Metro is quite memory intensive (for both system and graphic memory), and memory bandwidth has quite a bit of impact on performance as well. It is not as black and white as red and green (pun intended

).

Look at the 1920 res result for Last Light here:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_780_Ti/18.html

Both the GTX780Ti and 290x are faster than the GTX690 despite having less GPU grunt, most probably due to their much higher memory bandwidth. At higher res, the effect of lesser GPU grunt starting to show, with both the GTX780Ti and 290x starting to lag behind the GTX690 as the higher memory bandwidth no longer outweigh the advantage of extra GPU grunt.