I call ******** on that.
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AMD has console gaming in its pocket, but can it squeeze out Nvidia on the PC?
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I call ******** on that.
I dunno... you have to ask why at a period where nVidia isn't doing great, high prices, declining driver quality and AMD has the opposite great prices, increasing driver quality, etc. the result is:
"Nvidia continues to hold a dominant market share position at 64%; in Q1'13, AMD gained 1.4% in AIB market share." (to put it into perspective AMD are still ~7% down on their peak market share in recent history).
Even with everything going for them AMD seem to struggle against nVidia and if you break the numbers down further and look at the segment most relevant to this forum nVidia actually marginally increased market share partly due to GTX680s selling a lot better than I'd have expected.
EDIT: TBH tho what AMD needs to do is really take the bull by the horns, start engaging more and more directly with their customers and getting more information out there, theres no reason right now why they couldn't significantly increase market share with the right campaign, less spin and incrementing on the recent progress made with the never settle, etc. program.
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Perhaps nVidia locking in a lot of their customer base with the likes of physx and 3dvision play a part in maintaining their market share lead. I certainly know that if I had spend £300+ on a 3dvision monitor I would be loathe to move away from nVidia for that very reason. Which I guess is smart business practice from nVidia's perspective, but leaves the consumer feeling locked in to their hardware.
There is still very much a consensus that AMD are slower, always broken and generally bad GPU's.
None of which is true, as the more knowledgeable among us know.
Even in here there is regularly someone trying to set a completely untrue president that there is something wrong with AMD, it gets shot down around here because we Brits tend not to fall so much for nonsense.
I used to frequent other U.S based forums where a lot of this goes on (and people get sucked into it so easily), if you challenge them on what they try and have readers believe they have a full blown tantrum.
That's the problem AMD face, a vast army of Nvidia fanboi's and shills.
None of which is true, as the more knowledgeable among us know.
Even in here there is regularly someone trying to set a completely untrue president that there is something wrong with AMD, it gets shot down around here because we Brits tend not to fall so much for nonsense.
I used to frequent other U.S based forums where a lot of this goes on (and people get sucked into it so easily), if you challenge them on what they try and have readers believe they have a full blown tantrum.
That's the problem AMD face, a vast army of Nvidia fanboi's and shills.
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Correct. Clever marketing and perhaps the pricing has created the illusion that Nvidia is the premium brand in GPU hardware. I mean they cost more, they must be better, right?
People have become so used to Nvidia being number one and ATi/AMD being number two that even at times when ATi/AMD take the lead like now and back in the R9xx0/HD4xx0 eras a lot of people will still go for Nvidia, I dunno maybe they feel better having the "top" brand instead of the "underdog" even when their knowingly buying the second rate product /shrug. Its the same effect as when people bought Intel in the Pentium 4 vs Athlon XP era or the Pentium D vs Athlon 64 X2 era (AMD did actually take the lead for a short time then but not to the extent they deserved) or bought a Ferrari in the early 90's.
AMD may be the best price performance choice atm but Nvidia are the premium brand, just like Intel, Seasonic, Bitspower, Manchester United, John Cena, etc if you spend long enough at the number one spot people will expect/envision you to be there even when you are not currently deserving of it.
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Both sides have their fair share of fans and shills I don't think thats unique to nVidia in nature or amount (don't believe me take a look at the relevant AMD/nVidia pages on facebook
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The biggest favour for AMD is the AMD fanboys here. If someone dares to mention they had issues with an AMD card or even mentions AMD as anything other than Gods, they are torn a new one by the die hard AMD fans. Even AMD owners get questioned and told they are wrong if they have issues. I understand that historically ATI/AMD had a bad name and this sits in memories. Rightly or wrongly, AMD do have some work to do in the PR section and I for one want to see both companies doing well.
AMD need to get everything right, make stronger much faster GPU's than Nvidia and then communicate that relentlessly through reviewers.
They also need to challenge reviewers if they play silly ~~~~ers.
Its not good enough if AMD are a bit faster, a bit cheaper with stable drivers.
They have got to make a very clear and unequivocal difference between themselves and Nvidia, and then undercut them at that. Leave nothing for Shills to latch onto.
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It definitely shows where some people's position lies that publicly proclaim otherwise
It definitely shows where some people's position lies that publicly proclaim otherwise
Sorry I'm not trying to be rude or act smart or anything but could you dumb that down for me please I don't understand it
Sorry I'm not trying to be rude or act smart or anything but could you dumb that down for me please I don't understand it
People saying one thing but having a history of acting in another manner. Its not a totally uncommon occurrence on these forums to see for instance someone proclaiming they are neutral but have a history of putting the knife in when anyone makes even the slightest negative comment about one brand, even when the person commenting is a long time owner of that brand.
+1
Somewhat back on topic tho AMD really need to take the whole driver issue head on whether they factually have an issue there or not (the truth probably being somewhere inbetween) its one of the first things on someone's mind when they consider AMD whether a real problem or not. But they always seem to try and spin attention away from it which doesn't really serve them in the long run.
i.e. if there was a support site where people could submit problems, vote up the biggest issues and see them actually being resolved or atleast information on why a problem can't easily be resolved it would go a long way towards dispelling myths and increasing consumer confidence even when there are issues. Sometimes it makes business sense to gloss over problems but something like this that has dogged them for so long they need to be seen as taking tackling it seriously to put it to bed.
i.e. if there was a support site where people could submit problems, vote up the biggest issues and see them actually being resolved or atleast information on why a problem can't easily be resolved it would go a long way towards dispelling myths and increasing consumer confidence even when there are issues. Sometimes it makes business sense to gloss over problems but something like this that has dogged them for so long they need to be seen as taking tackling it seriously to put it to bed.
That is exactly what the amd driver reports are for and it does actually work.
Example, hdmi audio over amp issue on 13.5, was reported by members here and raised in the drivers thread (with interim fix). Amd then released 13.6 including a fix for this very issue.
Same go's for both 'sides' really. If you have an issue with a driver, report it before you spend a month moaning about it. Its near impossible for Amd or nvidia to scour every thread looking for issues, report them directly and watch it get fixed.
Example, hdmi audio over amp issue on 13.5, was reported by members here and raised in the drivers thread (with interim fix). Amd then released 13.6 including a fix for this very issue.
Same go's for both 'sides' really. If you have an issue with a driver, report it before you spend a month moaning about it. Its near impossible for Amd or nvidia to scour every thread looking for issues, report them directly and watch it get fixed.
Agreed.
I have reported issues on the Nvidia forums and they have been taken note of, as I am sure they do on the AMD forums. It must be hard for the driver devs when you get people ignoring the proper channels and just whinging on a forum (like this) and then doing nothing about it. So many different combinations of hardware to make the devs teams harder.
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Agreed.
I have reported issues on the Nvidia forums and they have been taken note of, as I am sure they do on the AMD forums. It must be hard for the driver devs when you get people ignoring the proper channels and just whinging on a forum (like this) and then doing nothing about it. So many different combinations of hardware to make the devs teams harder.
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+1's all round.
My point is something that more public and centralised where people can actually see and up vote issues/features and what their status is and see fixed issues, something that leaves no doubt that its being taken seriously.
I see what you're getting at, but I don't think either would want to have issues highlighted like that. Agree about the improvements though, not a clue why Amd haven't hired the radeonpro dev yet!!
The AMD report asks for lots of details about issues so they can narrow it down to any variables then try replicate, afaik AMD will get in contact with reporters if required but a 'known problems' page is likely to either bait people or give a negative look rather than look as helpful/progressive as it should. I'd imagine it's a similar scenario with nvidia.
From what I'm told the AMD driver thread and others like it are actively looked at from AMD staff, we have a known issues part they can skip to and test without being overly public about it.
All in all drivers from both parties have never been better imo, both take an active stance on problems which is what we as customers want
@Gregster, cheers bud, little sod took his time, was in for 35 hours!!
The AMD report asks for lots of details about issues so they can narrow it down to any variables then try replicate, afaik AMD will get in contact with reporters if required but a 'known problems' page is likely to either bait people or give a negative look rather than look as helpful/progressive as it should. I'd imagine it's a similar scenario with nvidia.
From what I'm told the AMD driver thread and others like it are actively looked at from AMD staff, we have a known issues part they can skip to and test without being overly public about it.
All in all drivers from both parties have never been better imo, both take an active stance on problems which is what we as customers want
@Gregster, cheers bud, little sod took his time, was in for 35 hours!!