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AMD Loses Value Crown - Best CPUs of 2021, December Edition
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You don't have to buy it, you have a choice, there is Intel savior.
Of course but I can roast and laugh at AMD for throwing away their very hard to get mind and market-share gains so easily.
they dind't throw anything, last i checked AMD cpu-s dominates in literally every major IT retailer. When Intel releases cheaper motherboards, AMD will do (probably) price cut, and offer zen 3 support for every 300 series motherboard, and many consumers have AM4 board so it will be cheapest upgrade path for them, and fighting will continue.
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That doesn't mean "we only price our products for mugs now".
The current market situation is a result of things that happened in the *past.*
Quoting current marked caps doesn't really tell us how the market will respond to one competitor offering more performance for less money.
Well, past history can give us some insight. Just look at what happened to intel. When AMD brought Zen to market they didn't even offer more gaming performance but they offered great value. I wonder if Intel was saying "last time I checked, we have most of the market." If they were, we know now how short-sighted it was.
Yes but looking at leaks and roadmaps it does not appear like AMD are slowing down with innovation which is what Intel did. Next year in particular looks exciting for AMD while Intel is a little meh
If ADL platform offer more for less money situtation would be little different, cpu is only one part of the story, and when cheaper motherboards come AMD will offer Zen 3 support for every series motherboard, and many consumers have AM4 board so for them it would be cheapest upgrade path to stay at AMD, they won't migrate to Intel. And also ADL require Windows 11 to work fully, and win11 is huge mess so another minus for Intel. Intel didn't won, nor they will, AMD is growing, they bought Xilinx to expand market, they are hiring more people, and as someone said, they aren't slowing down, they have vision, they can't afford being sloppy like Intel did, Intel will have hard times with every generation.
AMD won't suddenly offer Zen 3 support to 300 series boards after doing their best to block it for the last year, they will want those owners to empty their pockets on Zen 4 which is starting to look like it will be a very expensive platform as its only DDR5 compatible.
It all depends on Intel, how good ADL will eat AMD market, currently AMD doesn't have reason to enable zen 3 support on older motherboard yeah, but we will see next year.
It was more likely a rogue move by AIBs to enable them to shift some excess stock to raptoreum miners as the timing seems to coincide with when the raptoreum hype blew up and is unlikely to have been sanctioned by AMD else it would apply to all the 300 series boards and especially the higher end B and X chipsets which are more suited to the CPUs and more likely owned by enthusiasts rather than a couple of A320 boards.
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Do you have actual figures to back that up or is just the hyperbole that it sounds like!
From the 3600X to the 5600X we got ~26% performance increase in Single Threaded performance. When have Intel given us a ~26% single threaded performance increase from one generation to the next? I distinctly remember many years getting nearer a ~5% increase. The 3600X costs ~£240 at launch and the 5600X ~£300. So that makes a 25% increase in price.
The 8700K costs ~£360 on release and the 9900K costs ~£500. That comes to ~38% price increase when the single threaded (read gaming) performance were almost identical. Even for multithreaded with the 2 extra cores the improvement was ~34%.
You see how actual figures make what some people are trying to say turn out to be utter nonsense.
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Fully sanctioned by AMD, and was in fact to allow the 5xxxG series to be used, as well as the due to be released low end parts e.g. 5300(X). A320 boards are still sold and manufactured, and cost as little as £27.odd.
You have source as according to this the 5000G CPUs are not supported.
https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/ryzen-5000-cpu-support-added-to-asus-and-gigabyte-a320-motherboards/
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Individual boards have different support, my first hand experience building them is with some ASRock IPC boards, and the DeskMini X300 (technically no chipsets) , I'll probably get to try some more out in the new year, depends on what builds come my way. However just to clarify A320 has had 5xxx CPU support on some boards for over a year now.
I had to laugh actually as I saw an a320 board for £21.99, which has to be the cheapest board you could get for AM4 right now. Platform costs all-in you'd be hard pressed to find an Intel board that cheap.
With those updates AMD won't lose existing customers, it will be enough for them till Zen 4. People aren't willing to spend so much money on cpu anymore, gpu are ultra expensive, and they give biggest performance boost so customers are saving money for them instead throwing it on cpu.
Both of those comparisons are unacurate though.Do you have actual figures to back that up or is just the hyperbole that it sounds like!
From the 3600X to the 5600X we got ~26% performance increase in Single Threaded performance. When have Intel given us a ~26% single threaded performance increase from one generation to the next? I distinctly remember many years getting nearer a ~5% increase. The 3600X costs ~£240 at launch and the 5600X ~£300. So that makes a 25% increase in price.
The 8700K costs ~£360 on release and the 9900K costs ~£500. That comes to ~38% price increase when the single threaded (read gaming) performance were almost identical. Even for multithreaded with the 2 extra cores the improvement was ~34%.
You see how actual figures make what some people are trying to say turn out to be utter nonsense.
The 8700k didn't have a successor atleast not a like for like SKU and the closest part would be the 9700k but really it's a different SKU altogether.
The 5600X is a different SKU to the 3600X as one is a 95w part and the other is 65w yet we had a 65w zen 2 6core SKU and that was the 3600 so the 5600X is the natural successor and was just renamed to the X part in a similar fashion to how AMD the generation before changed the 65w 2700 and 105w 2700X with one becoming a 105w 3800X and the other the 65 3700X which also had the X added to a non X part probably to create more of a differentiation between the parts yet the 5600 was changed to disguise the price jump and let's face it if AMD had called it a 5600 then a lot more people would have complained.
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Oh its them same guys championing intel or smearing AMD - whichever best describes them. Oh yeah I remember how toxic the CPU forum was.
Oh its them same guys championing intel or smearing AMD - whichever best describes them. Oh yeah I remember how toxic the CPU forum was.
If you disagree with what I'm saying about AMD then maybe try being constructive about why you think the 5600X is more closely aligned to a 3600X in design rather than just the 3600 other than the X in the name.
No one here has actually brought anything to table to dispute what I'm saying and instead resort to mud slinging.
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I have been between these companies for decades pal, @MartinPrince posted a good factual constructed piece far better than any of your posts so if you want some constructive advice, listen to what the above users have posted and give it a rest on your complaining horse and trot on.
For ages intel drip fed the market 15% tick tocks with the odd one actually offering a worthy leap. I do not understand why your taking such a stance. Its their greed and stagnation that should gain some attention, and thanks to ryzen why they have got their finger out of their hole!