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AMD moving to a LGA CPU socket.

FrankJH said:
surely some adaptor would work that fit all the pins together and the adaptor then goes on the board in one?
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There was a time the front panel pin arrangement on the motherboard wasn't standardised, which is why everything was individual 2-pins. I don't think that's been the case for quite a while, so it would be nice to see case manufacturers starting to unify their front panel cables.

Asus have had some form of Q Connector for ages where you plug the individual 2pins into a single block and then drop it onto the board as a easier to manage single piece, and my In Win Chopin came with a similar unifying thing.

Of course, if you're making your own...
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Rainmaker said:
True, but if I have to choose I'd rather damage a £200-300 motherboard than a ~£1,000 CPU. My TR is LGA already, and I've always preferred LGA before. Spent too much time messing with credit cards, an optician's screwdriver and tweezers in the Athlon days. :p
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I've no idea in all the stories I've read for so long now is how so many people manage to damage AMD and Intel pins. AMD's is like the kids lego with the fine combs, Intel's is just like a slab. They're both easy but to be honest, there is just something about LGA I like the best.

Funny reading that first comment on Neowin.

"Stupid idea, much easier to damage the pins on a board than on the CPU,"


Never have I had an issue installing an Intel chip. It takes what, 3 seconds? Unless one is a complete and utter klutz.
 
V F said:
I've no idea in all the stories I've read for so long now is how so many people manage to damage AMD and Intel pins. AMD's is like the kids lego with the fine combs, Intel's is just like a slab. They're both easy but to be honest, there is just something about LGA I like the best.

Funny reading that first comment on Neowin.

"Stupid idea, much easier to damage the pins on a board than on the CPU,"


Never have I had an issue installing an Intel chip. It takes what, 3 seconds? Unless one is a complete and utter klutz.
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I have no idea either. I haven’t once damaged either sort (touch wood!). Kept me plenty busy fixing other people’s, though! :D
 
Ice Tea said:
I wonder if they will drop the AM4 cooler style mount for something else?
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I hope not. That little spring might cause a few unsettling moments with the pressure you need to apply, but it's certainly more robust and reassuring than Intel's push pin rubbish.
 
Rainmaker said:
True, but if I have to choose I'd rather damage a £200-300 motherboard than a ~£1,000 CPU. My TR is LGA already, and I've always preferred LGA before. Spent too much time messing with credit cards, an optician's screwdriver and tweezers in the Athlon days. :p
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How about damaging the same £200-300 motherboard with a ~£200-300 or cheaper CPU? :D

This change technically has no meaning whatsoever. AMD has spent years and years without bothering with "LGA-style" sockets and now suddenly it found the need.
What for?

V F said:
Funny reading that first comment on Neowin.

"Stupid idea, much easier to damage the pins on a board than on the CPU,"
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4K8KW10 said:
This change technically has no meaning whatsoever. AMD has spent years and years without bothering with "LGA-style" sockets and now suddenly it found the need.
What for?
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AMD is all about maximising profits these days and this change will push costs onto the motherboard makers while reducing AMDs CPU manufacturing cost.
 
Joxeon said:
AMD is all about maximising profits these days and this change will push costs onto the motherboard makers while reducing AMDs CPU manufacturing cost.
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Is it worth it, though? AMD will introduce a new risk - to lose the clients' trust.

A given motherboard can work with several CPUs during its life time and the risk there goes very high.
 
While RMA and manufacturing costs will no doubt come into it, I thought I read it was because it was much easier to get a higher pin count into LGA (i.e. on a motherboard) than it was to have that many tiny hairlike pins on a CPU? With newer features and more power draw, the extra pins become unfeasible soldered to the bottom of a CPU (see Threadripper LGA vs Ryzen PGA).

4K8KW10 said:
Is it worth it, though? AMD will introduce a new risk - to lose the clients' trust.

A given motherboard can work with several CPUs during its life time and the risk there goes very high.
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Very high? How many times in the last 20-30 years have you dropped a CPU into a socket and borked it? It's none for me...
 
4K8K posting absolute drivel, again I see. I'm pretty sure AMD's move to LGA is for reason far more important than to save a couple quid on RMA; if you're cack-handed enough to drop a processor regularly enough to see moving the LGA as increased risk, then frankly you're the one with the issue, not AMD.
 
Rainmaker said:
I have no idea either. I haven’t once damaged either sort (touch wood!). Kept me plenty busy fixing other people’s, though! :D
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I had some bent pins on my old Intel system which resulted in only one of the ram slots working, there very difficult to fix due to their small size and fragility. It's far easier to fix pins on a CPU imo (talking from experience when I bent the pins on my first ever build based around a P4c back in the day).
 
Freddie1980 said:
I had some bent pins on my old Intel system which resulted in only one of the ram slots working, there very difficult to fix due to their small size and fragility. It's far easier to fix pins on a CPU imo (talking from experience when I bent the pins on my first ever build based around a P4c back in the day).
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It used to be easier to fix pins on a CPU, when they didn't need that many pins and thus the ones that were there could be quite chunky and robust. The newer gens will need so many pins you're basically just gluing an LGA socket on the bottom of a Ryzen CPU. That's much more damage and error prone, so LGA socket (moving the pins to the motherboard) makes more sense.
 
Rainmaker said:
It used to be easier to fix pins on a CPU, when they didn't need that many pins and thus the ones that were there could be quite chunky and robust. The newer gens will need so many pins you're basically just gluing an LGA socket on the bottom of a Ryzen CPU. That's much more damage and error prone, so LGA socket (moving the pins to the motherboard) makes more sense.
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True and working with both systems fairly regularly I much prefer pins in the motherboard socket than on the CPU, especially when the motherboard is already in the case.

It is so much harder to bend pins on the motherboard as that should come with the protective plastic cover which shouldn't be removed until installation. In my experience it takes an extra level on incompetence to bend the pins in the motherboard CPU socket. ;)
 
I've never had a big problem with either pins on motherboard or CPU. Probably needed to straighten more CPUs than motherboards over the years, but such a small number for both it's not something I'd be concerned about.
Making a large assumption, but I guess it'd put an end to being able to pull an AMD out the motherboard when removing the heatsink... :D
 
Emlyn_Dewar said:
I've never had a big problem with either pins on motherboard or CPU. Probably needed to straighten more CPUs than motherboards over the years, but such a small number for both it's not something I'd be concerned about.
Making a large assumption, but I guess it'd put an end to being able to pull an AMD out the motherboard when removing the heatsink... :D
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Thats a good point.
 
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