AMD not adhering to 125W spec with FX8350?

humbug · 16 Apr 2013 at 12:53

nkata said:
My early overclocking (in the nineties) was all Abit. Purely because of their bioses. Then latterly Gigabyte for the same reasons but only because Abit went down (exploding capacitors etc.). Recently have had only good experience with ASUS as they have improved their bios and the componentry is very good. I never had an MSI and the only Asrock I fitted was in a build for someone else who wanted the cheapest possible solution with an Athlon II (crap bios).

Interesting how you have your FX-8350 running at 4.7Ghz on a mid range Asus board while MSI can't even manage to run it at stock.

Why: Because Asus and others use proper quality chokes, caps and MOSFET's that don't have a heart-attack as soon as they are asked to do a bit of work.

Phixsator · 16 Apr 2013 at 13:10

humbug said:
Why: Because Asus and others use proper quality chokes, caps and MOSFET's that don't have a heart-attack as soon as they are asked to do a bit of work.

I lol'ed quite a bit

, ty for improving my mood

(im being positive btw not sarcastic) *looks at dead xfx x58 mobo*

d_brennen · 16 Apr 2013 at 13:40

Martini1991 said:
Well we know it's not 95%, but the sentiment isn't wrong

Only manufacturer I've ever had stuff break with is MSI, be it GPU's or Mobo's.

Pretty much my experience with Maybe Something Incorrect

Hagar · 16 Apr 2013 at 14:39

humbug said:
Interesting how you have your FX-8350 running at 4.7Ghz on a mid range Asus board while MSI can't even manage to run it at stock.

Why: Because Asus and others use proper quality chokes, caps and MOSFET's that don't have a heart-attack as soon as they are asked to do a bit of work.

I could say that it is pure skill with a bit of genius but no you are right, the skill is in component selection and attention to detail (on a medium budget).

I have always put money into mobos, without that nothing else works, I had an 890 chipset for my 1055T and later 1090T when others were buying 7 series and even N68 motherboards. So a 990fx was a bit too expensive this time but the 990x had the bios and the quality without the extras I may have liked. It is better than the 760, 870 and 970 with AM3+ sockets though.

Stas823 · 17 Apr 2013 at 12:07

Phixsator said:
I lol'ed quite a bit , ty for improving my mood (im being positive btw not sarcastic) *looks at dead xfx x58 mobo*

Count those X's in your Sig...

Phixsator · 17 Apr 2013 at 14:11

Stas823 said:
Count those X's in your Sig...

If you are referring to my XFX PSU well its bloody awwsome(atleast for the time being) , but also the only thing i would ever use from them.

wolvers · 17 Apr 2013 at 22:17

Martini1991 said:
TDP is heat measured in watts that it generates as far as I know.

This is what confuses me about this story. MSI are talking about power usage there, not TDP. It's not the same thing AFAIK...or is it?

wolvers · 18 Apr 2013 at 15:57

This is bugging me now. Thermal Design Power is about heat dissipation in watts, not power usage. It's not the same thing from what I can see.

TDP is primarily used as a guideline for manufacturers of thermal solutions (heatsinks/fans, etc) which tells them how much heat their solution should dissipate.

This thread is a just misinformation IMO. It's entirely plausible that an electrical component can be dissipating less heat than the electrical power it's using.

Martini1991 · 18 Apr 2013 at 15:59

wolvers said:
This is buging me now. Thermal Design Power is about heat dissipation in watts, not power usage. It's not the same thing from what I can see.

This thread is a just misinformation IMO. It's entirely plausible that an electrical component can be dissipating less heat than the electrical power it's using.

Indeed, which means it'd be drawing more than 125W, which is what's killing those VRM's.

Seems TDP's been thrown in as opposed power draw.

But yeah, pet peeve of mine when people put TDP with power draw.

wolvers · 18 Apr 2013 at 16:03

Can a mod please change the title of this BS thread.

This is the kind of bilge that has people forming opinions of hardware that aren't substantiated and/or over exaggerated.

MSI just need to build better mobos, which I'm sure we can all agree on.

Martini1991 · 18 Apr 2013 at 16:07

Well, there's nothing much wrong with the title, doesn't say TDP.

d_brennen · 18 Apr 2013 at 16:08

wolvers said:
MSI just need to build better mobos, which I'm sure we can all agree on.

/thread

wolvers · 18 Apr 2013 at 17:57

Martini1991 said:
Well, there's nothing much wrong with the title, doesn't say TDP.

This thead is about rubbish MSI mobos, not AMD's ratings.

ubersonic · 19 Apr 2013 at 09:56

wolvers said:
This thead is about rubbish MSI mobos, not AMD's ratings.

No its about AMD spoofing their ratings, and MSI having to make a software work around for their boards to compensate, its all in the OP, or are you calling MSI and their engineers liars?

medseven · 19 Apr 2013 at 11:14

CPUz reports my unlocked dual core phenom, unlocked to quad as a Phenom II x4 B60 with a TDP 143 watts, stays pretty cool though, but still not that surprising!

wolvers · 19 Apr 2013 at 13:17

ubersonic said:
No its about AMD spoofing their ratings, and MSI having to make a software work around for their boards to compensate, its all in the OP, or are you calling MSI and their engineers liars?

AMD are not rating them at 125W power usage. MSI and the OP are wrong.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 19 Apr 2013 at 13:30

125W TDP does not mean 125W power consumption unless AMD has made a CPU which requires no power to run!

P0X_ · 22 Apr 2013 at 13:11

Good job my mobo supports up to 140w.

There goes the decision to OC my 8350 beyond stock.

mmj_uk · 22 Apr 2013 at 13:30

wolvers said:
AMD are not rating them at 125W power usage. MSI and the OP are wrong.

Really?
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/processors/amdfx/pages/amdfx-model-number-comparison.aspx

Show me where FX8350 is listed as anything but 125W TDP.

wolvers said:
This thead is about rubbish MSI mobos, not AMD's ratings.

In what way are they rubbish? they are value motherboards designed around the official spec. It's been mentioned on Anandtech that ASRock are echoing MSI's statement say but I can't find the source.

humbug · 22 Apr 2013 at 13:41

mmj_uk said:
Really?
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/processors/amdfx/pages/amdfx-model-number-comparison.aspx

Show me where FX8350 is listed as anything but 125W TDP.

In what way are they rubbish? they are value motherboards designed around the official spec. It's been mentioned on Anandtech that ASRock are echoing MSI's statement say but I can't find the source.

It been said before, TDP is not power draw.

ASRock are just as bad as MSI in using cheap components.