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AMD on the road to recovery.

Holy crap AMD have completely flipped it around, that's astonishing :eek:
The September figure has to be taken in the context that an Intel CPU launch is imminent and many potential Intel buyers will be waiting to spend then. What will be interesting is to see what the Oct/Nov/Dec charts look and if AMD still maintains their lead.
 
The September figure has to be taken in the context that an Intel CPU launch is imminent and many potential Intel buyers will be waiting to spend then. What will be interesting is to see what the Oct/Nov/Dec charts look and if AMD still maintains their lead.

Oh of course it must be, i mean it simply cannot be that people are choosing to buy AMD CPU's instead of Intel, that would be preposterous. :rolleyes:

The 8700K is near 3 times more expensive than the 2600, for that massive price difference its 15% better in games, Intel have real competition and yet despite this have gradually pushed the prices up even more these past few months, that's the real reason.
 
Oh of course it must be, i mean it simply cannot be that people are choosing to buy AMD CPU's instead of Intel, that would be preposterous. :rolleyes:

The 8700K is near 3 times more expensive than the 2600, for that massive price difference its 15% better in games, Intel have real competition and yet despite this have gradually pushed the prices up even more these past few months, that's the real reason.
... and with all those things in the 2600's favour the 8700K's numbers have been consistently good even in this last month. You have to be really blinkered if you can not see how that a new Intel CPU launch in October might adversely affect sales in September. :rolleyes:

There are even threads in the CPU section with potential buyers of 8700K's been told to wait so why would you just put it all down to AMD's superiority? I love what AMD are doing but I also know how to read a chart and apply it to the context of it's relevant space.
 
... and with all those things in the 2600's favour the 8700K's numbers have been consistently good even in this last month. You have to be really blinkered if you can not see how that a new Intel CPU launch in October might adversely affect sales in September. :rolleyes:

There are even threads in the CPU section with potential buyers of 8700K's been told to wait so why would you just put it all down to AMD's superiority? I love what AMD are doing but I also know how to read a chart and apply it to the context of it's relevant space.

My main playmate gaming group consists of about 5 people, up until about a year ago all of them, including me were Intel, a mixture of Devils Canyon and SkyLake, 4 of us are now Ryzen, the other one Threadripper.

Ryzen has been around for about 18 months, a lot of people have been sitting around waiting to see what Intel are going to do about Ryzen, including some of my gaming playmates, they have seen what Intel's reaction is, yes its to match AMD on core count but at the same time push the prices up, they know the 9800K and 9900K are coming but they also know they are going to be £450 and £550 at least, they are getting tired of Intel constantly jacking prices up and up and up....

Its not just Intel, its Nvidia as well they are getting more and more greedy as it becomes increasingly difficult to keep growing revenue by appealing to new customers, so they stretch brand loyalty to its absolute limits by pushing prices up a lot for not much performance gain.

The fact is the more expensive your products become they less people buy them, AMD are the only ones these days offering a lot more bang for a lot less buck, that shows in the sales figures.
 
My main playmate gaming group consists of about 5 people, ....[snip]...The fact is the more expensive your products become they less people buy them, AMD are the only ones these days offering a lot more bang for a lot less buck, that shows in the sales figures.
I'm not sure why you quoted me as what you just wrote has little to do with what I wrote. Just to recap: You were having a go at me for suggesting that the 8700k's slightly lower sales in September over August might be in part due not only to the 2600's resurgence but also that a new Intel CPU is due in October.

My reply was purely reinforcing the sensible and impartial notion that sales of a brand of CPU might dip the month before a refresh CPU launch (same for AMD as well).

You're reply, while perfectly anecdotal and I'm in total agreement with is what we refer to as non sequitur. :rolleyes:

You might as well have talked about how good the Barton CPU's were (forgive the slight hyperbole but you should get my point)

Look at the chart again, removing your AMD tinted glasses, and rather than just looking at the 2600's meteoric rise, look at the 8700k's numbers; even with the swing to AMD in terms of percentage of total CPU sales, the 8700K sales since May 2018 have steadily increased each month till August and then have taken a slight dip in September, one month before their new CPU launch.

While I'm in total agreement with you and your mates as to Intel practices and short changing us customers, the sales numbers in the last chart should help give some indication as to the consensus view outside of these forums.
 
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I'm not sure why you quoted me as what you just wrote has little to do with what I wrote. Just to recap: You were having a go at me for suggesting that the 8700k's slightly lower sales in September over August might be in part due not only to the 2600's resurgence but also that a new Intel CPU is due in October.

My reply was purely reinforcing the sensible and impartial notion that sales of a brand of CPU might dip the month before a refresh CPU launch (same for AMD as well).

You're reply, while perfectly anecdotal and I'm in total agreement with is what we refer to as non sequitur. :rolleyes:

You might as well have talked about how good the Barton CPU's were (forgive the slight hyperbole but you should get my point)

Look at the chart again, removing your AMD tinted glasses, and rather than just looking at the 2600's meteoric rise, look at the 8700k's numbers; even with the swing to AMD in terms of percentage of total CPU sales, the 8700K sales since May 2018 have steadily increased each month till August and then have taken a slight dip in September, one month before their new CPU launch.

While I'm in total agreement with you and your mates as to Intel practices and short changing us customers, the sales numbers in the last chart should help give some indication as to the consensus view outside of these forums.

Using Language like this "removing your AMD tinted glasses" is what makes your motives obvious, i have had more Intel than i have had AMD, i go where ever my money gets me the best, that right now is AMD.
 
Even though AMD have said themselves that Zen 2 is aimed at Ice Lake, i really can't see them surpassing Intel in gaming performance, but we'll see.

I like to think of AMD as the Ford of computing. They aren't the best or the fastest but they offer more than enough for the average user at a reasonable price. I had a TT and now a Passat, both great build quality and nice materials but I still like my wife's Fiesta for the overall package and value for money. I'd happily run one myself if the dog would fit in one!
 
Even though AMD have said themselves that Zen 2 is aimed at Ice Lake, i really can't see them surpassing Intel in gaming performance, but we'll see.

All Intel have is clock speed, that's it, if 7nm gets Zen 2 to to 4.6Ghz (not at all a stretch over current 4.2Ghz) Intel are down to mid single figure percentage gaming advantage, and that's assuming 0 IPC gain on Zen 2.
 
All Intel have is clock speed, that's it, if 7nm gets Zen 2 to to 4.6Ghz (not at all a stretch over current 4.2Ghz) Intel are down to mid single figure percentage gaming advantage, and that's assuming 0 IPC gain on Zen 2.

I'd like to think 4.6Ghz would be the bare minimum considering they got circa 300mhz going from 14nm to 12nm (1800x boost clock compared to 2700x boost clock).
 
How does your mate with threadripper fare fps wise?
I keep looking at it given the prices.

Not really gamed much on it since I got it but tbh coming from an i5-3570K you can imagine the difference.. smoother everything.

I'm not using gaming mode at all though as I do video editing (Magix Vegas) on it a lot.

Also still tinkering with OCing although PBO works very well so chances are I'll just OC the RAM/GPU and leave the CPU to do it's thing.
 
Not really gamed much on it since I got it but tbh coming from an i5-3570K you can imagine the difference.. smoother everything.

I'm not using gaming mode at all though as I do video editing (Magix Vegas) on it a lot.

Also still tinkering with OCing although PBO works very well so chances are I'll just OC the RAM/GPU and leave the CPU to do it's thing.

The first gen threadrippers were the higher binned Ryzen chips so in theory should overclock just as well if not better than first gen ryzen 7, i.e. 4Ghz or above on all cores.
 
Using Language like this "removing your AMD tinted glasses" is what makes your motives obvious, i have had more Intel than i have had AMD, i go where ever my money gets me the best, that right now is AMD.
Now instead of a non sequitur you go for 'argumentum ad hominem'
...is a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.

You might be the only person reading this thread that does not think to some extent you have 'AMD rose tinted glasses' and just to be clear, I see nothing wrong with that. You confirm that by not only starting this thread (and others of similar vein) but also by your last statement. "i go where ever my money gets me the best, that right now is AMD" So right now you favour AMD. I think many more people will be wearing those AMD rose tinted specs and rightly so. I might even start wearing them soon myself.

Your error was to pull somebody up because they state that the 8700K's slightly fewer sales in September could in addition be that the 9900k/9700k is due in October with this reply:
"Oh of course it must be, i mean it simply cannot be that people are choosing to buy AMD CPU's instead of Intel, that would be preposterous. :rolleyes:"
This seems to me to be somebody who's AMD rose tinted specs are effecting their impartiality and not allowing them to see the wood for the trees.

I see that chart and not only do I see how well AMD is doing but I also see how strong the 8700K's sales have been and still are. An impartial person would have agreed with that and would have not pulled somebody up on stating something that is obvious to everybody apart from seemingly you.

I'll repeat it again.
Even if AMD did not exist, the 8700k sales in September would have taken a dip with the release of a new Intel CPU in October

So for you to suggest it is all down to how great the 2600 is, then all you will get from me going foward is :rolleyes: and :D
 
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Shortages
Prices
New product available soon

All these will factor into lower output in the month before a new major release

What will be interesting is if intel have been sandbagging and the shortages are actually due to them have vast amounts of new stock ready to roll.
If this is the case, and the chips turn out to be more than 10% better than the models they replace, then I should think it’ll look rosy again for them.
 
Shortages
Prices
New product available soon

All these will factor into lower output in the month before a new major release

What will be interesting is if intel have been sandbagging and the shortages are actually due to them have vast amounts of new stock ready to roll.
If this is the case, and the chips turn out to be more than 10% better than the models they replace, then I should think it’ll look rosy again for them.

Mmmmmmmm, 10% better on exactly the same node that has already bean more than just a bit crippled by Intel's security updates so far ? Nahhhhhhhh, not going to happen. Unless they completely ignore there own security updates and release the CPU's in the wild with a load of lies. And of course, Intel would never do that, would they ?
 
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