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AMD on the road to recovery.
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Soldato
Multiple CPUs dying is probably PICNIC tbh...
Soldato
Although I can understand your perceptions built by your experiences, I do have to question though exactly what you were doing to the AMD chips for them to die. CPUs don't just die. They either were broken from the start or they're degraded by running too hot and too much juice through them. So what did you do to kill them?
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How did you guess? Their RMA process was very poor.
Well, a Phenom is the better buy in the long term compared to a Core 2 Quad. The Phenom can be upgraded, the Core 2 Quad cannot.
MSI CEO: AMD Plans to Stop Being the Value Alternative, X570 Motherboards to be Expensive
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Caporegime
AMD are starting to make some traction in OEM's.
Although there's still confusion internally in these OEM's.
We had a sales guy of a company state that AMD are coming back in a big way, only for the next session at said OEM state "We don't really do much AMD, but we could".
Kind of wish I'd gambled my house deposit on AMD shares
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I'd be living my dream home at 25.
Oh well, more debt and 30 it'll have to be.
Although there's still confusion internally in these OEM's.
We had a sales guy of a company state that AMD are coming back in a big way, only for the next session at said OEM state "We don't really do much AMD, but we could".
Kind of wish I'd gambled my house deposit on AMD shares
.I'd be living my dream home at 25.
Oh well, more debt and 30 it'll have to be.
AMD are starting to make some traction in OEM's.
Although there's still confusion internally in these OEM's.
We had a sales guy of a company state that AMD are coming back in a big way, only for the next session at said OEM state "We don't really do much AMD, but we could".
Kind of wish I'd gambled my house deposit on AMD shares
I'd be living my dream home at 25.
Oh well, more debt and 30 it'll have to be.
I have no doubt the boards will now cost the same as Intel, they are at least as good if not better than Z390 and with PCIe 4 they have something Z390 doesn't.
As for the CPU's, we know the price of those from AMD themselves.
9600K, 6 cores 6 threads: £260
3600, 6 cores 12 threads: £200
3600X, 6 cores 12 threads: £250
9700K, 8 cores 8 threads: £340
9900K, 8 cores 16 threads: £500
3700X, 8 cores 16 threads: £330
3800X, 8 cores 16 threads: £400
3900X, 12 cores 24 threads: £500
Anyway.... this isn't going to make you feel any better
AMD must not start the milk cow procedure when their market share is less than 3% in servers, around 12-13% in mobiles and slightly more in DIY PCs...
This would be a fundamental strategic mistake.
I have no doubt the boards will now cost the same as Intel, they are at least as good if not better than Z390 and with PCIe 4 they have something Z390 doesn't.
As for the CPU's, we know the price of those from AMD themselves.
9600K, 6 cores 6 threads: £260
3600, 6 cores 12 threads: £200
3600X, 6 cores 12 threads: £250
9700K, 8 cores 8 threads: £340
9900K, 8 cores 16 threads: £500
3700X, 8 cores 16 threads: £330
3800X, 8 cores 16 threads: £400
3900X, 12 cores 24 threads: £500
Anyway.... this isn't going to make you feel any better
Nicely presented. When you see the prices like that they look quite reasonable. My bank account would prefer less but I expect in time the prices will drop. It all depends on what happens with Navi how far my budget goes.
Thanks ^^^
I think its going to be very difficult for AMD to sell the X570 board for less than Z390 given the quality of them, you've seen them, they are top notch.
The CPU's aren't actually any more expensive than previous generations, at least at launch the 6 core Ryzen was always £200 and £250, the 2700X was £330 but the 1800X was £400, they started to come down in price after a few months when Intel reacted with their own 6 and then 8 core CPU's.
I don't think that's going to happen this time, at least not to the extent that it has, i mean my 1600 was £210 at launch, about 8 months later i got it for £160.
AMD are still offering more for less than Intel, to the same extent they have since Ryzen only this time it looks like AMD are going to be matching Intel in gaming and all Intel can do is what AMD did back in 2013 when they launched the FX-9590 to keep pace with the far more efficient 3770K.
AMD are not at this point getting too cocky, look at the table you quoted. Motherboards, i think we are just going to have to accept that if we want the Z390 quality we will have to pay Z390 money, there's always B450 and X470 if we don't need or want 10 to 14 phase VRM's and PCIe 4.
I think its going to be very difficult for AMD to sell the X570 board for less than Z390 given the quality of them, you've seen them, they are top notch.
The CPU's aren't actually any more expensive than previous generations, at least at launch the 6 core Ryzen was always £200 and £250, the 2700X was £330 but the 1800X was £400, they started to come down in price after a few months when Intel reacted with their own 6 and then 8 core CPU's.
I don't think that's going to happen this time, at least not to the extent that it has, i mean my 1600 was £210 at launch, about 8 months later i got it for £160.
AMD are still offering more for less than Intel, to the same extent they have since Ryzen only this time it looks like AMD are going to be matching Intel in gaming and all Intel can do is what AMD did back in 2013 when they launched the FX-9590 to keep pace with the far more efficient 3770K.
AMD are not at this point getting too cocky, look at the table you quoted. Motherboards, i think we are just going to have to accept that if we want the Z390 quality we will have to pay Z390 money, there's always B450 and X470 if we don't need or want 10 to 14 phase VRM's and PCIe 4.
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Caporegime
I have no doubt the boards will now cost the same as Intel, they are at least as good if not better than Z390 and with PCIe 4 they have something Z390 doesn't.
As for the CPU's, we know the price of those from AMD themselves.
9600K, 6 cores 6 threads: £260
3600, 6 cores 12 threads: £200
3600X, 6 cores 12 threads: £250
9700K, 8 cores 8 threads: £340
9900K, 8 cores 16 threads: £500
3700X, 8 cores 16 threads: £330
3800X, 8 cores 16 threads: £400
3900X, 12 cores 24 threads: £500
Anyway.... this isn't going to make you feel any better
The problem is from an OEM POV is the lack of IGP.
So, we can't spec 2600's for example because we then need a GPU.
So we'd either have to go for an APU and current offerings are 4C/4T or 4C/8T from AMD. You can get an i5 around the same price with IGP.
For the absolute base units AMD 2200G systems are the cheapest build we can go, it's cheaper than the i3's and just as good.
That's a good point, tho they have just refreshed Zen+ for Laptops and i'm sure the G and U series Zen 2's are on the way.
His table is fake.
Look: i9-9900K plus a Z390 board = pounds 610:
My basket at Overclockers UK:
- 1 x Gigabyte Z390 UD Intel Z390 (Socket 1151) DDR4 ATX Motherboard= £109.99
- 1 x Intel Core i9-9900K 3.6GHz (Coffee Lake) Socket LGA1151 Processor - Retail= £499.99
Total: £620.48 (includes shipping: £10.50)
Look: 12-core Zen 2 plus a X570 board pounds 500 + pounds 200 = pounds 700.
Caporegime
I'd have faith in 6C/12T or 6C/6T APU's *had* they changed the tiers.
And it takes a while for OEM's to change their stuff as such.
Soldato
His table is fake.
Look: i9-9900K plus a Z390 board = pounds 610:
My basket at Overclockers UK:
- 1 x Gigabyte Z390 UD Intel Z390 (Socket 1151) DDR4 ATX Motherboard= £109.99
- 1 x Intel Core i9-9900K 3.6GHz (Coffee Lake) Socket LGA1151 Processor - Retail= £499.99
Total: £620.48 (includes shipping: £10.50)
Look: 12-core Zen 2 plus a X570 board pounds 500 + pounds 200 = pounds 700.
No it isn't as you seem obsessed with PCI-E 4.0?? The Core i9 9900K setup has PCI-E 3.0,plus 12 cores for £700 with PCI-E 4.0 with the Ryzen 9 3900X,is still cheaper per core.
Even with your £200 board,a Ryzen 7 3700X is £330?? So that still undercuts the Intel system.
Another thing,you can get X470 boards too,which will work with the Ryzen 9 3900X anyway??
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The Ryzen 9 3900X has no video signal output. The i9-9900K has its own internal graphics engine.
Now, calculate with a videocard included, so maybe the cost per core with AMD increases?!
Why on a 9900K would YOU care about crap Integrated Graphic's? ^^^^
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MSI B450 Pro Carbon. £120 , That's a very good board.
+ 8 core 16 thread 3700X, £120 + £330 = £450 (£160 cheaper)
Or if for whatever reason you would want to go for the more expensive 3800X
£400 + £120 = £520 (£90 cheaper)
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MSI B450 Pro Carbon. £120 , That's a very good board.
+ 8 core 16 thread 3700X, £120 + £330 = £450 (£160 cheaper)
Or if for whatever reason you would want to go for the more expensive 3800X
£400 + £120 = £520 (£90 cheaper)
One whole year later? Why wait 1 year to only equal and offer the same pricing? On the smaller, finer and supposedly what's meant to be a cheaper process?
AMD got greedy. Fact.