AMD or Intel (New Build)

Panos · 4 Jun 2017 at 01:21

Russell Price said:
Looking for a little advice from some more experienced people. I use a 24" 1440p monitor and am looking for a new build that can perform the best in:

Gaming at ultra graphics on new releases.

Streaming of games.

Recording of game play.

Hard pressed on if I should go for a AMD or Intel. The two processors I've narrowed it down to are:

AMD - Ryzen 7 1700x 3.8GHz
Intel - i7-7700K 4.2GHz (Kaby Lake)

Would appreciate any advice with some reasons/positives/negetives of either options,

Thanks in advance.

Why you are hard pressed? One has twice the cores than the other. Is no difficult to understand what's better.For the 7700K to match the MT performance of the 3.9Ghz R7 1700, it will have to run at 6.5-6.8Ghz!!!!

Especially streaming, you need the extra cores. Alternative is the 6900K but at ~£950 cost the CPU alone. But for that money you buy a R7 1700, B350 board and a GTX1080 (or 2 RX580s and X370 board), 16 3600C16 Samsung-B die RAM and still you going to have change left.
And for £65 extra you can get even the GTX1080Ti!

humbug · 4 Jun 2017 at 01:53

Panos said:
Why you are hard pressed? One has twice the cores than the other. Is no difficult to understand what's better.For the 7700K to match the MT performance of the 3.9Ghz R7 1700, it will have to run at 6.5-6.8Ghz!!!!

Especially streaming, you need the extra cores. Alternative is the 6900K but at ~£950 cost the CPU alone. But for that money you buy a R7 1700, B350 board and a GTX1080 (or 2 RX580s and X370 board), 16 3600C16 Samsung-B die RAM and still you going to have change left.
And for £65 extra you can get even the GTX1080Ti!

More like 7.5Ghz, the IPC on KabyLake is only slightly better, if at all.

deuse · 4 Jun 2017 at 06:13

Wait till august when Intel brings out the new CPU.

jaffveyda · 4 Jun 2017 at 09:10

Get this https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-...hz-socket-am4-processor-retail-cp-39x-am.html
Such a great value after price cut.

Panos · 4 Jun 2017 at 10:51

deuse said:
Wait till august when Intel brings out the new CPU.

Which will cost more than the Ryzen 7 CPUs either way......

Russell Price · 4 Jun 2017 at 16:04

@jaffveyda

I think that's going to be my plan then go with a decent cooler and overclock it! Thanks for the reply!

Russell Price · 4 Jun 2017 at 16:08

@humbug

Thanks for the graphics card tips, I will definitely have a look into them suggestions!

Russell Price · 4 Jun 2017 at 16:10

Journey said:
Then you'd be looking at a GTX 1070, there's at least half a dozen models between £340-360, personally if you get the R7 1700 over the X version you have more budget towards the graphics solution. Also it includes a decent cooler with the 1700, so another decent saving unless you already have a cooling solution in mind.

I think I could push my budget to include the GTX 1070, as you're not the only person to recommend that! Appreciate the advice on options with the 1700 and 1700x, will definitely look into overclock options now prior to making my choice!

jaffveyda · 4 Jun 2017 at 16:46

Russell Price said:
@jaffveyda

I think that's going to be my plan then go with a decent cooler and overclock it! Thanks for the reply!

I am doing exactly the same thing, was thinking of buying r5 1600 but wit the recent price cuts the 1700 looks like a good value. The only thing that i am waiting right now is finished bios updates.

chroniclard · 4 Jun 2017 at 17:45

Isnt the 1800x 4ghz out the box?

muon · 4 Jun 2017 at 18:00

chroniclard said:
Isnt the 1800x 4ghz out the box?

3.7Ghz for all cores. 4.1ghz for up to 2 cores.

humbug · 4 Jun 2017 at 18:10

muon said:
3.7Ghz for all cores. 4.1ghz for up to 2 cores.

isn't it:
3.7Ghz on all cores
4Ghz on 2
4.1Ghz on one with XFR?

muon · 4 Jun 2017 at 18:16

humbug said:
isn't it:
3.7Ghz on all cores
4Ghz on 2
4.1Ghz on one with XFR?

I didn't think XFR differentiated between 1 and 2 cores but you may be right.

humbug · 4 Jun 2017 at 18:19

muon said:
I didn't think XFR differentiated between 1 and 2 cores but you may be right.

TBH i don't know, i just noticed XFR was missing.... so i'm guessing thats what it might look like

AiiR · 4 Jun 2017 at 18:58

Right now I think it's AMD at any price point at and above the 1400 level unless you want those extra couple of frames in a few games.

Anyone telling you to wait for whateverlake from Intel are wasting keystrokes, no one in their right mind should wait another 2/3 months for performance that is basically available right now. The IPC won't be any different, the core count will be less for the same price and you'll most likely still be needing to budget for a CPU cooler if you don't already have one.

Just get a Ryzen 1700, get into task manager and bask in all 16 glorious threads you have available.

humbug · 5 Jun 2017 at 01:40

awaybreaktoday said:
** Removed - EVH **

That.. that's an interesting statement

What could you possibly mean by quality? if the quality is defined by how efficient the silicone is then Ryzen is better quality given its much more efferent. or maybe its something in the assembly? like AMD soldering the heat spreader and Intel using cheap thermal compound?

awaybreaktoday · 5 Jun 2017 at 02:00

humbug said:
That.. that's an interesting statement

What could you possibly mean by quality? if the quality is defined by how efficient the silicone is then Ryzen is better quality given its much more efferent. or maybe its something in the assembly? like AMD soldering the heat spreader and Intel using cheap thermal compound?

For example buy intel, buy 3200 rated ram and it will run at 3200 with no fuss, buy AMD ryzen pot luck if your ram will run at 3200 stable.... The Ryzen platform is not what i would consider production ready............. Too many people having too many issues and having to do a lot of flaffing around....

Lets hope Threadripper is ready out of the box and not requiring months of waiting for multiple bios updates that may or may not work.

humbug · 5 Jun 2017 at 02:10

awaybreaktoday said:
For example buy intel, buy 3200 rated ram and it will run at 3200 with no fuss, buy AMD ryzen pot luck if your ram will run at 3200 stable.... The Ryzen platform is not what i would consider production ready............. Too many people having too many issues and having to do a lot of flaffing around....

Lets hope Threadripper is ready out of the box and not requiring months of waiting for multiple bios updates that may or may not work.

Thats nothing to do with Quality, talking about things like this in terms of "Quality" just perpetuates the myth that AMD are 'inferior' much to Intel's delight....

The memory overclocking is to do with Memory Compatibility, Ryzen is a brand new platform, its microcode is not yet setup to work perfectly with all memory vendors and types, AMD are going round all memory vendors to tune the microcode to fully understand all those different types.

Guess what, sainted can't do no wrong Intel had exactly the same problem with X99, yes system memory be it speeds or just plain not working at all the X99 platform had real issues, in exactly the same way it is with Ryzen. it took Intel a while to go round all memory vendors to sort it out, just as AMD are doing right now.

It was a topic at the time but the difference is with Intel is it was rightfully recognised as a simple compatibility issue.

Thats that mind-share in action, if its Intel with a problem it cannot possibly be Intel's fault. the church of Intel doesn't make mistakes.
If its AMD with a problem of course its AMD's incompetence or lack of quality... what else could it be? right?

EddScott · 9 Jun 2017 at 12:16

I've been asked for input into a new PC build primarily for flight sims and he's advised that many cores are required (I'm checking into this for certain)

There's this at £448.99
Ryzen 7 Eight Core 1800X 4.00GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail

Or this

i7-6900K 3.20GHz (Broadwell-E) Socket LGA2011-V3 Processor - Retail

at £830

Seems like a big difference but is the extra worth it? The build isn't really budget limited (£3K just for the box) but adding lots of RAM, big SSDs and a top GPU soon eats away the budget.

smogsy · 9 Jun 2017 at 12:39

EddScott said:
I've been asked for input into a new PC build primarily for flight sims and he's advised that many cores are required (I'm checking into this for certain)

There's this at £448.99
Ryzen 7 Eight Core 1800X 4.00GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail

Or this

i7-6900K 3.20GHz (Broadwell-E) Socket LGA2011-V3 Processor - Retail

at £830

Seems like a big difference but is the extra worth it? The build isn't really budget limited (£3K just for the box) but adding lots of RAM, big SSDs and a top GPU soon eats away the budget.

x99 is a dead platform so No.

from memory all flight sims are CPU heavy. depending on the Sim some are single or multi threaded and biggest gains are in frequency.
so generally Intel would be better but do not get Broadwell-E might aswell wait 2 months and get x299 + new intel socket in that case...

the 1800X would be more than capable either way