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AMD or Nvidia: Between a Rock and a Hard Place?

TwsT said:
the g-sync freesync issue is a big gripe for me too it's new monitor time soon I don't like that my choice will remove choice at a later date.
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yeh a pretty harsh lock in huh :(
i dont mind changing what gpu i use a lot but having 2 types of possibly the same monitor that would be so crazy to me, both the money and the space
open standard is the only sensible thing but how long will that take lol
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
More the case,he might be commenting on things like this:

http://i.imgur.com/KOZkYrE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/h6bDtEQ.jpg

Even with Gameworks switched off,the Kepler cards are doing very badly when compared to the Maxwell or even the oldest GCN based cards(!) in the Witcher 3. Until late last year,those Kepler cards were the current Nvidia line-up too.
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This is exactly what I'm referring to.

I don't have a 780 Ti, I still run with a 7970 AMD Card. Why on earth would I want to buy an Nvidia card if they start to gimp it months down the line? It's forcing people into buying their new tech, it seems like a disgusting and shady business practice.
 
Hopefully DX12 will shake things up.

According to some AMD users here, DX12 is mostly Mantle code so AMD should already have a head start.
 
Really interesting thread.

I'm kinda 50/50 in terms of getting a new GPU. Well I'm definitly getting one, which one is the thing having me uncertain. 290 or 970 is the options. I don't have the cash to go higher and fancier, and to be honest the pricepoint of those two options is high for me, making either one essentially the most expensive GPU I'll have ever owned.

I normally shop around the mid range tier, considering I don't play the latest releases, normally playing games years old, and getting those new games a year or two later when they go on sale.

The 970 is winning out for me at the moment with what appears to be a less power hungry, quieter card that has less driver issues. But I'd be lying if I felt an issue with handing over money to NVIDIA based on their recent antics.

Price wise the cards are somewhat similar, with the euro conversion horrible at present I'm paying way more now then I would have before christmas. But it looks like €300-350 is what I'll need to fork out. Really hoping new cards releases shortly brings those prices down.

I'm one of those people who doesn't like handing over money to companies I take issue with, or employ poor practice. I guess though in most situations I have multiple options and alternatives, with GPU's, the option is AMD and there is apparently notible draw backs.

When I think of say, Gamestop, a company I never deal with and havn't for years, I have a HOST of options to source my games and stuff.
 
People like to bury their heads in the sand because they have to make a tough choice whereby sacrifices will have to be made for long term good. Sure, you can keep buying Nvidia because of whatever biases you have but guess what, that has a consequence, and that consequence is that Nvidia now has a commanding share of the GPU market and it can do almost whatever it wants to increase sales, including screwing over its own customers when they don't fork up money for the newest cards. Luckily, AMD is still fighting so things aren't as bad as they can be. But the reason people should buy AMD instead of Nvidia isn't so that AMD benefits from it (though they will), but it's so that you benefit from them yourself in the long run. And plus, the differences between the two are minuscule performance-wise (for the equivalent price range).
 
Ayahuasca said:
Hopefully DX12 will shake things up.

According to some AMD users here, DX12 is mostly Mantle code so AMD should already have a head start.
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Another brilliant move by amd, create what some called a game changer and then give it away for free to the competition. Making and selling gpus is not a charitable thing. With the consoles in their pocket and mantle they should have really taken the performance lead on most of the new games. If I was an amd shareholder I would ask myself why its trying to be become Oxfam.
 
elmuzzy66. said:
Another brilliant move by amd, create what some called a game changer and then give it away for free to the competition. Making and selling gpus is not a charitable thing. With the consoles in their pocket and mantle they should have really taken the performance lead on most of the new games. If I was an amd shareholder I would ask myself why its trying to be become Oxfam.
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If AMD had kept Mantle proprietary it would have died, most developers will not make a game for an API that only works on a handful of cards by one company with <25% market share. Not unless that company pays them too, and if you were an AMD shareholder you would probably wonder why you were paying companies to use technology you paid to develop...


Nexus18 said:
I imagine nvidia will eventually support adaptive sync though....
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Or monitor manufacturers may eventually support Freesync as standard, even on G-Sync panels.
 
simple mantle isnt and wasn't anything special.

did it destroy nvidia ? nope. did it have a massive lead nope. lets cut through the marketing. its a driver update !

the funny thing is what it did kind of work in was amds own titles :p mainly with frostbite engine .

microsoft will just give that kind of extra to all games not just the ones you in bed with pay to be partnered with. as i said when mantle was coming out ;)
 
Ayahuasca said:
Hopefully DX12 will shake things up.

According to some AMD users here, DX12 is mostly Mantle code so AMD should already have a head start.
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It's certainly looking that way, our DirectX 12 driver is producing 33% more draw calls.

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Source
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/3DMark-API-Overhead-Feature-Test-Early-DX12-Performance
 
~>Dg<~ said:
simple mantle isnt and wasn't anything special.

did it destroy nvidia ? nope. did it have a massive lead nope. lets cut through the marketing. its a driver update !
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Many many many people including myself will disagree completely, you keep saying mantle does nothing special but as has be shown in all the recent articles for dx 12/vulkan, it quite clearly does, if it didn't then why all the excitement/push for dx 12 and vulkan even from nvidia users? Better frame times/latencies etc. make the game feel and look smoother and results in higher FPS overall and in some cases a massive FPS difference i.e. on my rig in sig:

Nexus18 said:
Battlefield Hardline, everything on MAX, res scale 100%, FOV 85 and a run around the dust bowl map on an empty server with a ping of about 30-40:

mantle

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DX

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That min. FPS difference. Although as you can see, there isn't much difference when it comes to the average FPS but in game, mantle feels much smoother than DX.
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and for bf 4:

Nexus18 said:
I also did a single player run on max settings a while ago:

max settings except no AA (IIRC I had 150% res. scale though) at 2560x1080 on my rig as specced in sig, single player:

DX

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Mantle

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That minimum FPS figure for mantle is wrong though, I never seen the FPS hit that low during that run, not sure why it reports the wrong minimum FPS figure :confused:
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Yup, mantle does nothing and in that case dx 12/vulkan will also be useless :p
 
Poneros said:
People like to bury their heads in the sand because they have to make a tough choice whereby sacrifices will have to be made for long term good. Sure, you can keep buying Nvidia because of whatever biases you have but guess what, that has a consequence, and that consequence is that Nvidia now has a commanding share of the GPU market and it can do almost whatever it wants to increase sales, including screwing over its own customers when they don't fork up money for the newest cards. Luckily, AMD is still fighting so things aren't as bad as they can be. But the reason people should buy AMD instead of Nvidia isn't so that AMD benefits from it (though they will), but it's so that you benefit from them yourself in the long run. And plus, the differences between the two are minuscule performance-wise (for the equivalent price range).
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i've never read such utter drivel.
 
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