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AMD or Nvidia: Between a Rock and a Hard Place?

I must admit i do prefer amd for going open source with freesync but they didnt have the gpu to back it up. Nvidia lead with gsync and the 780ti performance. Thats the problem. You need to be first to market if you have a good idea or you need to improve on it at the least if you are second. Amd just didnt get freesync out fast enough as we arent seeing many freesync monitors still and they are lagging on gpu tech still plugging the 290x as their best single gpu card. No crossfire support for freesync. Yes they do correct these things but its just a little bit too slow i feel. That said if the fiji card is great and reasonably priced i may consider changing my monitor as ill have too. If you are second to market then you need to be cheaper or faster and i'm not sure it can do that well enough against a 980ti. I hope it can because i want that competition in the market. We have to try and get prices driven down. A single gpu selling for twice the price of a console is silly.
 
I don't see the issue with crossfire support for freesync as SLI with gsync has stuttering issues and most people are only using 1 of their GPUs because of this so I don't blame AMD for holding back the freesync crossfire support if that is going to have the exact same problem as SLI and gsync, it will just annoy even more crossfire users.

Regarding freesync, on ocuk, we have 10 freesync monitors (a good variety too) and 7 gsync monitors, gsync has been out for over a year as well so that is pretty damn good going for freesync considering it was only launched 3-4 weeks ago, granted though that the most of the freesync monitors have 1 or 2 problems, the freesync range (this is more down to the monitor manufacturer and scaler choice though) and/or overdrive/response time setting being disabled when freesync is active (AMD have fixed this on their end, monitor manufacturers also have to update their firmware) but this is only the first lot of freesync monitors so I expect that they will improve with newer monitors over the next year.

I also think the 290/290x are still mighty good cards too, the 980/970 came out after a year and the 290x/290 are still performing extremely well compared to them, in some games still beating them too, which isn't bad for a year older gpu imo.
 
Nexus18 said:
Many many many people including myself will disagree completely, you keep saying mantle does nothing special but as has be shown in all the recent articles for dx 12/vulkan, it quite clearly does, if it didn't then why all the excitement/push for dx 12 and vulkan even from nvidia users? Better frame times/latencies etc. make the game feel and look smoother and results in higher FPS overall and in some cases a massive FPS difference i.e. on my rig in sig:



and for bf 4:



Yup, mantle does nothing and in that case dx 12/vulkan will also be useless :p
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amd show mantle to do well are you surprised ? amd worked closely with bf.just like nvidia did with project cars lol :p look what happened there.

the thing is for every benchmark there is another benchmark showing the opposite and often the opposite one is from the other side endorsing their product.

for mantles life and i said it from the start it wouldn't succeed. it didnt succeed. hence im right.

all it was is a media hyped up driver update.

it worked for games and developers who worked with amd pretty well but in other games not really any advantage. look at the amd games mainly frostbite engine. the frostbite engine is garbage.

people pumping money into garbage ends up with one thing its retired just like mantle.

so now someone else does something like mantle and amd people says just like mantle. no ! it will work. not just for amd titles but across the board. that is the difference.

by the way i played bf on a 7950/280x/290x/970gtx/980 :D

id take the nvidia option apart from the colours which i stated previously many times.i prefer amd as company over nvidia.
 
You do tend to get longevity with AMD. My 7970 is still rocking after 3 years. Same for my old 4870 and x1900xtx, they lasted me for years whilst the Nvidia equivalents were looking very dated after a few years.

Im not saying the new gpu's will be the same but this is from what i experienced.
 
~>Dg<~ said:
amd show mantle to do well are you surprised ? amd worked closely with bf.just like nvidia did with project cars lol :p look what happened there.

the thing is for every benchmark there is another benchmark showing the opposite and often the opposite one is from the other side endorsing their product.

for mantles life and i said it from the start it wouldn't succeed. it didnt succeed. hence im right.

all it was is a media hyped up driver update.

it worked for games and developers who worked with amd pretty well but in other games not really any advantage. look at the amd games mainly frostbite engine. the frostbite engine is garbage.

people pumping money into garbage ends up with one thing its retired just like mantle.

so now someone else does something like mantle and amd people says just like mantle. no ! it will work. not just for amd titles but across the board. that is the difference.

by the way i played bf on a 7950/280x/290x/970gtx/980 :D

id take the nvidia option apart from the colours which i stated previously many times.i prefer amd as company over nvidia.
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This isn't AMD showing mantle to do well though, this is from all the review sites such as anandtech or do you think AMD pay them to use false figures for mantle? :p

AMD don't lock out nvidia though, yes you can't use mantle but dx 11 performs better on nvidia than amd for bf 4. I don't know much about project cars but isn't a gameworks title thus AMD can't optimise nvidia's code therefore it isn't exactly surprising that, gameworks titles just don't run anywhere as well on amd as they do on nvidia.

You can say mantle didn't succeed in one way i.e. it wasn't widespread enough, however what it did succeed in was dx 12 and vulkan, without mantle would we have seen those 2? Perhaps.... but would it have been as soon as this, most likely not. Also, for pc's like mine it succeeded massively, again you can't argue with those benchmarks done on my pc.

Frostbite engine is rubbish? Yes we all know you don't like it because it isn't "l33t enough for competitive due to the animations" :p but it is far from rubbish, what other game engine provides a similar gaming experience in technical and graphical terms compared to frostbite? The only one I can really think of is cryengine and it isn't really any better aside from the graphics. Yes BF 4/frostbite had its problems when first released but that was because of them rushing it out to beat cod, it is extremely good now. Also, I doubt they are going to drop frost bite any time soon, at least not when DICE and battlefield are still around, which will be for a long time. Lets put it this way, if frostbite was as rubbish as you believe, would you and countless others have sinked thousands of hours into games using that engine?

Sniper elite 3 using Asura engine and thief using unreal engine 3 had mantle and brought improvements for high end GPU and low end CPU users as well, so it isn't just frostbite where we see the benefit of mantle or do those game engines suck as well?

People are saying dx12/vulkan is like mantle because of the how it works, it isn't rocket science to see this from all the graphs, benchmarks, articles etc. :p
 
you are mentioning gameworks as the excuse. then listed all amd titles :D

frostbite is good for big bangs and explosions. for smooth well animated gameplay its terrible.

funny thing is when bf3 came out people were working on a promod. it was scrapped .yet now in bf4 they been trying to do what they was trying to do years ago :confused:so funny.
 
I was planning on upgrading from my 760 to a 970 but the latest driver fiasco from nvidia really hasn't impressed me. I know they need to make money from new card sales, but intentionally nerfing their previous products to make people jump onto the new line doesn't seem moral to me. Maybe we need a third party back in the arena to get nvidia to reassess their customer relations because amd don't seem to be providing sufficient competition at the moment.
 
Just cant decide myself, I go back and forth - both pi$$ me off at times;

AMD = Terrible control over their software = Poor optimization

Nvidia = Too much control over their software = Ability to nerf older cards to max sales

just my uneducated opinion :-)
 
spiralz said:
Just cant decide myself, I go back and forth - both pi$$ me off at times;

AMD = Terrible control over their software = Poor optimization

Nvidia = Too much control over their software = Ability to nerf older cards to max sales

just my uneducated opinion :-)
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"Ability to nerf older cards to max sales"

Allegedly?
 
Tbh, I found Mantle to be pretty awesome with my AMD FX.

The difference may be less pronounced on an i7. I'll fire up BF4 on my new 4790k tomorrow to find out.
 
llamadal said:
Nexus just making stuff up I see, nothing new.
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Excellent post, would read again.

You haven't bothered to address what I am supposedly making up :rolleyes:

But then looking at your post history in both this sub forum and the asus rog swift thread, it isn't surprising to see you getting a little upset over facts that don't agree with your preference/loyalty/opinion so nothing new....

EDIT:

Let me guess, this is because of my post about gsync and SLI having issues?

You still won't admit to it having issues I see...

Even gregster admits to the issues:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sh...highlight=imgur+username_nexus18#post27990031

~>Dg<~ said:
you are mentioning gameworks as the excuse. then listed all amd titles :D

frostbite is good for big bangs and explosions. for smooth well animated gameplay its terrible.

funny thing is when bf3 came out people were working on a promod. it was scrapped .yet now in bf4 they been trying to do what they was trying to do years ago :confused:so funny.
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Eh? Your first part makes no sense.

games with gameworks run like crap on on amd, at least on my 290 anyway, yes, doesn't matter who the game is by either, like I said earlier, batman AO is the best out of them all but even that isn't free from micro stutter, maybe it is just my system but I have seen a few others reporting the same.... Where as AMD games run just fine on both brands and sometimes even better on nvidia afaik.

The animations in frostbite are fine, yes there are few hiccups every now and then but what game doesn't have problems with animations? The game play is smooth and fluid for me as well.

The 2 main advantages of the promod was the lack of crappy blue filter and the removal of suppression, apart from that, I don't think there was anything else special about it?
 
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Yeah I think it is just down to them not spending as much time optimising their drivers for older cards although I think this has usually always been the case with nvidia?

Support for my AMD 4850 and 7850 was great right up till the end of their life. I think the 79xx cards still perform pretty well?

With the way that AMD are heading with their drivers ATM though... they will follow nvidia's footsteps soon and perhaps be even worse :p
 
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Do people remember what Nvidia tried charging the Titan Z for at launch? Oh god if people actually bought those cards they'll probably try to introduce a new price tier at £4000+.
 
Ok so because Greg had some issues, everyone else in the world must have them too? Right.

The last time I saw stutter in sli was on 460s, no one else I know has any issues, I'm sure it exists in certain situations but I'm also guessing that a fair amount is unrelated to sli and more pebcak.

You are just typing trash for the sake of it
 
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