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AMD Phenom Quad Core 9600

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are you aware there are bad problems with them and they dont work over 2.4ghz properly which means overclockign them is pointless? And that the q6600 is by far the better deal and will overclock to 3.6ghz.

If not its not to late to cancel :p
 
8igdave said:
are you aware there are bad problems with them and they dont work over 2.4ghz properly which means overclockign them is pointless? And that the q6600 is by far the better deal and will overclock to 3.6ghz.

If not its not to late to cancel :p
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Ive already got an asus crosshair mobo and im not that interested in overclocking this Cpu I think for the time being it will be fine.
 
why did you get one of those :S the P35 and x38 are just as good and have the q6600 which is the best cpu by far currently avalible for performance per buck. But i gues what is done is done.

In which case i suggest you wait for them to sort out their cpus before you buy. Its not a choise of you dont think your intrested at the moment. You simply cant really with any good performance increases youd want to see. I beleive the amd's are slightly differnt to overclock as well but i dont know the full details on that. Overclocking is actually relatively simple and people dont do it because they dont really know how when its really easy with a few people just telling you what to do. I would suggest you wait out the fixed amd cpus. There is a reason they are beig sold off ;)

To answer your question as long as its retail it will come with a heat sink and a fan.
 
8igdave said:
are you aware there are bad problems with them and they dont work over 2.4ghz properly which means overclockign them is pointless? And that the q6600 is by far the better deal and will overclock to 3.6ghz.

If not its not to late to cancel :p
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It's not that bad at all. "Bad problem"... no, there is one bug which 99% of users will never notice and which is also fixed in BIOS updates. AND most will overclock to around 2.7 - 3.0Ghz (from what I've read).

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Did'nt they make the mistake worse by the fact that their chips dont ahve some updating function which intel have been putting in theirs for a long time after they made a similar mistake and totaly screwed up a whole range due to missing something out.

As for being fixed in the bios, well there is no certanty and its been months and no show.

As for overclocking to 3ghz yes some can make it but from what ive read there is a 10-15% penalty on performance for doing so because you gota turn something i thinks... cant remember the full details on that though.

Over 2.4ghz there is ment to be a problem is there not?

Plus these higher oevrclocks arn't they being done on the multiplyer unlocked ones? Does the op have one of those?
 
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8igdave said:
Did'nt they make the mistake worse by the fact that their chips dont ahve some updating function which intel have been putting in theirs for a long time after they made a similar mistake and totaly screwed up a whole range due to missing something out.

As for being fixed in the bios, well there is no certanty and its been months and no show.

As for overclocking to 3ghz yes some can make it but from what ive read there is a 10-15% penalty on performance for doing so because you gota turn something i thinks... cant remember the full details on that though.

Over 2.4ghz there is ment to be a problem is there not?

Plus these higher oevrclocks arn't they being done on the multiplyer unlocked ones? Does the op have one of those?
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You're right yes, sorry I read 9600+ and don'd the Black Edition goggles. I don't know how well the std. locked one will do. Sorry, mis-read that part.

Yes, over 2.4Ghz is apparently when the bug can occur, but there are BIOS fixes out now. People have used them and reported it makes Overclocking slightly worse.

Don't know what you mean by your first point. :)
 
So guys in your honest opinion should I use the Phenom or should i stick with AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 6400+ or something?

I have AM2 crosshair mobo
Corsair 4GB DDR2 XMS2 PC2-6400C5 TwinX (2x2GB)
Samsung SpinPoint T 500GB SATA-II 16MB Cache - OEM x2
BFG GeForce 8800 GTS OC 512MB GDDR3 HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) x2
Samsung SH-S203PRSMN 20x DVD±RW SATA Dual Layer Lightscribe ReWriter (Beige/Black/Silver)
Samsung SH-W163 16x SATA DVD-ROM (Black) - OEM
Corsair HX 620W ATX2.2 Modular SLI Compliant PSU
Akasa AK174CC-4RAB 120mm Multi Colour LED fan
XClio A380Plus Twin Engine Gaming Case - Black

So as you can see the only thing missing is the CPU.
 
How much money you got? id personaly recomend a P35 board and a q6600. There are the new Q9xxxs coming out which will be at the same price the current ones are as the current ones are going to be made end of the line products, however the current ones are still by far powerful enough for today and even the future. An overclocked q6600 to 3.4ghz is going to last some years i recon.



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You're right yes, sorry I read 9600+ and don'd the Black Edition goggles. I don't know how well the std. locked one will do. Sorry, mis-read that part.

Yes, over 2.4Ghz is apparently when the bug can occur, but there are BIOS fixes out now. People have used them and reported it makes Overclocking slightly worse.

Don't know what you mean by your first point. :)
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well i think there could be more to amd's screw up and this is why intel are holding back.

What if amd are covering up the fact they have designed something which doesn't work?

Intel had an updating function after a very bad screw up they had before pentium times i beleive with them missing out some key coding in thing or something. i dont know enough about them to tell you what they missed. But ever since then they ahve had a chip in it which allows them to update things which dont work etc. The phenom doesn't have this and therefore they may not be able to fix it so easly and i wonder if it means it cannot be truely fixed by the bios either.

It may be possible tjhat the only fix is to rebuild their design.

With the 2900xt they said oo it will be fixed with driver updates. it never has. it still sucks at aa, the one thing it was ment to be amazing at!

Promisses mean nothign until they deliever and it has been months since they were ment to.
 
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Seen the comparision on tomshardware it seems like the Phenom is around 10-15% faster clock for clock depending on the application that it runs but even with that i wouldn't spend money on a Phemon if there don't clock pass the 3GHz mark. I would think that a Phenom at 3Ghz will be faster then a Q6600 at stock.
 
I was comparing the Phenom with older AMD chips and not the Conroe but it's my mistake from what i see after reading my post again.
 
PCW ran a test on the phenom 9700 it came second best to the q600 in all the tests they ran, both stock and overclocked.

as for the bug, they say it is in the L3 cache, as another poster said there is a bios fix for it, but it reduces performance by 10%. the patch is to stop a chance of a "crash" they dont say what would trigger it.
 
well i've got a 9500 and last night i clocked it to 2.6ghz without problems, i didn't try any higher because i didn't have time.
as for the bug, personly i wouldn't use the bug bios fix,, because you'll may never see it... i haven't yet...
 
have you not thought about how all the new intel chips coming out are going to superseed your 9500 even more? People buy them saying that its cheaper because you already have an amd mobo but when you get overtaken very fast and it starts aging a lot quicker your going to be stuck as it seems like the next amd cpu's are going to be a while off.
 
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have you not thought about how all the new intel chips coming out are going to superseed your 9500 even more? People buy them saying that its cheaper because you already have an amd mobo but when you get overtaken very fast and it starts aging a lot quicker your going to be stuck as it seems like the next amd cpu's are going to be a while off.
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but your missing the point. people may already have a perfectly good amd motherboard which everything runs well on it. and they don't wanna spend out £100+ for a good intel motherboard and £150+ on a quad core, and then find something doesn't work with it.

the reason why i went for 790fx motherboard is because it offers overclocking with windows.. i can't can't control the bios by myself because i can't use a keyboard, so being able to do all the overclocking within windows is very useful and helpful.. which intel doesn't offer this feature...
 
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