AMD R5 4500 'waste of AMDs reputation and credibility'

[Tired9]

Brand loyalty is a one way street, all AMD and Intel want is our money, so imo the best thing to buy is what best suits your needs at the time. I have been using Ryzen since it came out but switched back to Intel when I built my new PC on Sunday. When I build my next PC, in a few years time, I’ll look at what both companies have available and buy the CPU that best suits my needs no matter which company makes it.

The only brand loyalty I have is for Yorkshire Tea.

Damn yorkies know how to make good tea bags.

 

[Cob]

If it had been released at £85 like the 1600AF was then it might have been a decent prospect. But it’s been priced to compete with the 12100F and it simply doesn’t.

Terrible decision from a company who’s sole remit is to give you as little as possible for as much money as possible.

 

[Chrisc]

He called it a waste of sand, the thumbnail has "BAD" emblazoned on it in huge capitalised font, all the way through the video he critiques it with clownish theatrics like it is a bad CPU.

Is it a "Bad" CPU? No, the guy is a snob.

I agree, I understand his frustrations but the CPU isnt "BAD" its just poorly priced

 

[humbug]

I agree, I understand his frustrations but the CPU isnt "BAD" its just poorly priced

It is over priced, yes

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

You can't put a GN video without Humbug expressing his dislike of Steve.
A GN video where he criticized AMD also!?

I think it doesn't seem like a "good" CPU, given the cost. I'd far rather go Intel at that price point. "Bad" seems like an appropriate label.

 

[Journey]

From information I've heard/read this morning the 4100/4500/5500 is replacing the 3100/3300/3500 as they are officially EOL'ing the 3xxx Retail SKU's now. So it makes more sense if they are changing the wafer supply/usage for 7nm moving forward to do this. It also looks like the prices are already not what they seem as I mentioned earlier I saw the 4500 quite cheap at £97 but it looks like it will be lower that this again withing a a week, maybe two.

 

[Armageus]

If it had been released at £85 like the 1600AF was then it might have been a decent prospect. But it’s been priced to compete with the 12100F and it simply doesn’t.

Is it a more future proof option though having 6 cores / 12 threads? If it was the same price as the 12100F then maybe it would have that in it's favour so could at least hedge your bets as to better single core perf vs more threads.

Just seems to me that the AMD product stack has too many products at the moment (5x six core products between £120-£210!!!), and unfortunately the low end products aren't able to hit the price points that we expect them (e.g. the wafer and packaging costs are largely the same - given that both a 4500 and a 5600x are 6 core products on the same 7FF process)

The 4100 is £5 cheaper than the 12100F and has the same amount of threads but an IPC disadvantage,
If the 5500 was at the £120 pricepoint of the 4500, it would certainly be worth the extra £20 over a 12100F for similar IPC and more threads, and would make the 4500 totally irrelevant (but it won't sell for less because it's a larger APU die with the graphics fused off?)


My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x Intel Core i3-12100F 3.30GHz (Alder Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-6AS-IN) = £98.99
  
• 1 x AMD Ryzen 3 4100 Quad Core 4.0GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-3D5-AM) = £94.99
  
• 1 x AMD Ryzen 5 4500 Six Core 4.1GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-3D4-AM) = £119.99
  
• 1 x AMD Ryzen 5 5500 Six Core 4.2GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-3D3-AM) = £146.99
  
• 1 x AMD Ryzen 5 5600 Six Core 4.4GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-3D2-AM) = £179.98
  
• 1 x AMD Ryzen 5 5600G Six Core 3.9GHz (Socket AM4) APU with RX Vega Graphics - Retail (SKU: CP-3CW-AM) = £200.00
  
• 1 x AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Six Core 4.6GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-3CC-AM) = £209.98

Total: £1,061.42 (includes delivery: £10.50)​

​

 

[jigger]

If it had been released at £85 like the 1600AF was then it might have been a decent prospect. But it’s been priced to compete with the 12100F and it simply doesn’t.

Terrible decision from a company who’s sole remit is to give you as little as possible for as much money as possible.

Nvidia have released a desktop CPU?

But, seriously how can anyone come to that conclusion about AMD? Prices are generally more than reasonable.

 

[Tetras]

Is it a more future proof option though having 6 cores / 12 threads? If it was the same price as the 12100F then maybe it would have that in it's favour so could at least hedge your bets as to better single core perf vs more threads.

From what I've seen, when the cores/threads are actually used, then the worst that happens is that the 12100F is slightly behind the 5500, but it beats the 4500 in pretty much all circumstances (when gaming). The 5600 non-x is a significantly better CPU than the 12100F.