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**AMD Radeon 390X Graphics Card WCE**

old gamer said:
like the 290x now, why not have 4gb and 8gb versions, that could please everyone whatever your res
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drunkenmaster said:
Because HBM is in it's infancy and there might simply not be a realistic possibility of putting 8GB on a card right now.

If no one makes an HBM product, HBM production doesn't start. If HBM production doesn't start, it doesn't improve, doesn't ramp up and stops being invested in. To get the next HBM product, you need to get them to make the first one, meaning you have to take what can be produced. Which looks currently like 128GB/s of bandwidth in 1GB stacks. There are yield(and therefore significant cost implications) of going beyond a certain number of stacks, meaning 4GB is doable, maybe even past the ideal number of stacks and 8GB could become effectively impossible at this point.

If there is no 8GB option(and considering 90% of the article is made up) it won't be because AMD actively chose not to offer one, it will be because it's not viable yet. But making HBM products today brings the date the 2-4GB stacks closer, making the next gen 8-16GB products more viable.
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Well, done, you precisely explained what I was saying by adding the context. The question was why NOT have both versions. I explained what the reasons would be if there wasn't a 8GB version. Look at the words I used, MIGHT NOT be a realistic possibility of putting 8GB, not no possibility.

Context is everything, I was asked IF there WERE ONLY 4GB cards... why would that be the case... which would be as I explained, because 8 stacks is extremely unlikely and 2GB stacks weren't available yet. I wasn't asked if there would be 8GB cards and even if I had been I didn't say they weren't possible.

From day one, I think 8 stacks is unlikely for the reasons given, I think 2GB stacks are possible but depends on when it's released, I categorically stated I believed 2GB stacks would be available LONG before HBM 2.0 chips were available... but didn't know when this would be. A 4 stack 1GB stack version is almost assured, from day one I've stated an 8GB version is possible and simply depends on when both the 2GB stacks enter production and when the cards launch.

I'm sure you didn't mean to give the context with the quote which explains the answer.
 
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No, Old Gamer gave a good example of what (to coin your phrase) "could" happen and in this instance, you basically say it isn't viable. This is just one instance I found on a really quick search and seemed apt.

So it seems the get out clause is "might and could". That is no different to what everyone else posts that you feel is worthy of jumping on. Christ, even Wccftech put "Might and could" and we all rip them.
 
I actually like most of DM's post and usually find them informative. Let's get back on topic and leave the bickering alone

Sooooo about that 390x 8gb WCE (hoping they do a decently cooled air one) I'm thinking of naming mine Perseus when I get it :)
 
drunkenmaster said:
Well, done, you precisely explained what I was saying by adding the context. The question was why NOT have both versions. I explained what the reasons would be if there wasn't a 8GB version. Look at the words I used, MIGHT NOT be a realistic possibility of putting 8GB, not no possibility.

Context is everything, I was asked IF there WERE ONLY 4GB cards... why would that be the case... which would be as I explained, because 8 stacks is extremely unlikely and 2GB stacks weren't available yet. I wasn't asked if there would be 8GB cards and even if I had been I didn't say they weren't possible.

From day one, I think 8 stacks is unlikely for the reasons given, I think 2GB stacks are possible but depends on when it's released, I categorically stated I believed 2GB stacks would be available LONG before HBM 2.0 chips were available... but didn't know when this would be. A 4 stack 1GB stack version is almost assured, from day one I've stated an 8GB version is possible and simply depends on when both the 2GB stacks enter production and when the cards launch.

I'm sure you didn't mean to give the context with the quote which explains the answer.
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Can you give a simple one line answer, how much HBM memory will be on the 390X ?

You have three possible answers

1. It will have 8gb

2. It will have 4gb

3. I don't know

Pick one so we know what your opinion is without hiding it in walls of text.:)
 
Kaapstad said:
More backtracking.

Go on admit you got it wrong.:D
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Drunkenmaster wont, but his posts are there, what you have to realise is AMD have been testing this HBW since early last summer, if not earlier....

it all looks legit, so if so, there's a 390X ......and a 390X Titan killer..this monster will probably cost you a fortune

Titan X ???????????? wait so see if there's another leak tomorrow, or just wait till june, let those suckers over there blow their dosh on a Titan X, because me thinks that they're making a huge mistake.

the 390X WCE is the card to have !
 
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Boomstick777 said:
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Back on topic,

The 16th has been mentioned a couple of times for some 390X info from AMD. Would be great if they did this right before Titan X announcement :p

Next few days should be interesting for those wanting a new GPU..
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i think AMD will, well they already have, because this PDF thing is pretty revealing, more leaks will be great, but dont expect to see it's final Specs.......because these haven't been finalised yet until they see Titan X in the flesh

as said yesterday, Nvidia are in a spot of bother right now, because AMDs silence forced Nvidia to reveal its hand too early..

the 390X is deffo 8GB.........WHY? because the Titan X is 12GB and not 8GB, yes Nvidia knew all about the 390X at least 3 months ago , so to out muscle them they simply added an extra 4GB to theirs..

wishful thinking, but i feel this 390XWCE could be something far greater than we realise
 
Kaapstad said:
All credibility blown in that chart when you look at the prices.

A fixed estimate for the AMD card and a price range for a card that is getting launched next lol.:D
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Agreed and one thing DM has said that I agree with is HBM price and it won't be cheap till they have is mastered, that's certain. AMD can't afford to swallow the profits.
 
Kaapstad said:
All credibility blown in that chart when you look at the prices.

A fixed estimate for the AMD card and a price range for a card that is getting launched next lol.:D
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yea, if it blows the Titan X away it'll never be that cheap.... it'll be at least 850 quid.

so to keep other punters happy, there will also be a lower spec version, there has to be
 
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Mal X said:
the 390X is deffo 8GB.........WHY? because the Titan X is 12GB and not 8GB, yes Nvidia knew all about the 390X at least 3 months ago , so to out muscle them they simply added an extra 4GB to theirs..
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Highly doubtful. 8gb would have seemed a little tame, as the last Titan had 6gb. I always thought the next Titan would have 12GB to be honest and I would have been very surprised if it had less.
 
Gregster said:
Agreed and one thing DM has said that I agree with is HBM price and it won't be cheap till they have is mastered, that's certain. AMD can't afford to swallow the profits.
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+1

I think to have 8gb on the 390X is going to be very expensive, fortunately with the launch price of the Titan X it will give AMD the opportunity to charge a bit extra for their card to cover the cost.
 
Jono8 said:
Highly doubtful. 8gb would have seemed a little tame, as the last Titan had 6gb. I always thought the next Titan would have 12GB to be honest and I would have been very surprised if it had less.
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With a 384bit bus the Titan X was always going to be either 6gb or 12gb. Trying to get 8gb on the card would have been difficult.
 
Kaapstad said:
+1

I think to have 8gb on the 390X is going to be very expensive, fortunately with the launch price of the Titan X it will give AMD the opportunity to charge a bit extra for their card to cover the cost.
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Yer, at least the TX will still make the 8GB (if it exists) look cheaper :)
 
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