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Amd Radeon next move?
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Spot the £1150 card getting it's butt nearly whooooooooooooooooooooped! For around £520! AMD next move should be seppuku considering power costs. Damm good job they cut that cards price otherwise it would be been really embarrassing for them today.
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This tbh. The R9 285 dropped 60W in TDP compared to the 280 while performing unpar/slightly better. I don't know why people are acting like AMD have spent the last year doing nothing. I'm curious to see how far they gone to improve efficiency.
Saying that I ain't waiting MSI 670 is sitting in the basket waiting for me to pull the trigger.
wheres matt ?
In hiding probably or sulking maybe?
I honestly don't know, not that he can comment on these things now anyway.
I expect he is busy on twitter, that's his 'thing' now, don't go on there that much myself any more.Benching his GTX 980.
Perhaps he is.
wheres matt ?
Last seen crying into his cornflakes this morning.
Spot the £1150 card getting it's butt nearly whooooooooooooooooooooped! For around £520! AMD next move should be seppuku considering power costs. Damm good job they cut that cards price otherwise it would be been really embarrassing for them today.
Yeah, the 295 should have gone down to 599 and should have stayed there.
Far more people would have lapped them up, and having them now people wouldn't be jumping over to the 970/980 as much.
As it is, the prices will need to drop, and they will still struggle to shift them more now than before.
It's funny how matt can no longer post in Nvidia threads, his balls must be itchy!
Really? He's not allowed to post in nvidia threads? Or you joking?
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I wouldn't put much stock in TDPs. My GTX660 has a higher 140W to 150W TDP than the GTX970 yet consumes far less power and needs only a single PCI-E power connector,and needs less cooling.
The TH review did some very high speed power consumption tests,and its very interesting in what they find,especially for balancing TDP and power consumption in mobile SOCs like Tegra.
The TH review did some very high speed power consumption tests,and its very interesting in what they find,especially for balancing TDP and power consumption in mobile SOCs like Tegra.
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Spot the £1150 card getting it's butt nearly whooooooooooooooooooooped! For around £520! AMD next move should be seppuku considering power costs. Damm good job they cut that cards price otherwise it would be been really embarrassing for them today.
So what happened here ?
3x £450 cards getting beat by 3x £350 cards lol.
Not to mention that Gibbo is using a 5930k v my 4930k.
3x Galax GTX 980 @ 1450/7800
3x 290X @1225/1625
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Kaap i cannot speak for three-way but im not that impressed with the 980 either. A trend i have noticed is that when you look at reviews of fps, There is a very steady climb down with price v performance. For example the 770 and 970 are not huge amounts behind the 780 980 etc.
But they seem to cost a LOT more. Which is why i thought the 770 SLI seemed to put AMD in the shade. Maybe 3 way they still own but in two way they get demolished now. Even with the 256bus there is 60fps in 5670x1080 with 4xMSAA on BF4!
And that costs £528 or so delivered? With two games to sell on the MM? Hell AMD are so far out now that even if i wanted too i couldnt use a 295 or 290x CF, Because i never envisaged needing a kilowatt psu. Even Titan Black at £599 which is missing for some reason gets destroyed. As someone asked me a few posts up where is Titan? I have no idea but it is pretty far behind that is or sure.
But they seem to cost a LOT more. Which is why i thought the 770 SLI seemed to put AMD in the shade. Maybe 3 way they still own but in two way they get demolished now. Even with the 256bus there is 60fps in 5670x1080 with 4xMSAA on BF4!
And that costs £528 or so delivered? With two games to sell on the MM? Hell AMD are so far out now that even if i wanted too i couldnt use a 295 or 290x CF, Because i never envisaged needing a kilowatt psu. Even Titan Black at £599 which is missing for some reason gets destroyed. As someone asked me a few posts up where is Titan? I have no idea but it is pretty far behind that is or sure.
Kaap i cannot speak for three-way but im not that impressed with the 980 either. A trend i have noticed is that when you look at reviews of fps, There is a very steady climb down with price v performance. For example the 770 and 970 are not huge amounts behind the 780 980 etc.
But they seem to cost a LOT more. Which is why i thought the 770 SLI seemed to put AMD in the shade. Maybe 3 way they still own but in two way they get demolished now. Even with the 256bus there is 60fps in 5670x1080 with 4xMSAA on BF4!
And that costs £528 or so delivered? With two games to sell on the MM? Hell AMD are so far out now that even if i wanted too i couldnt use a 295 or 290x CF, Because i never envisaged needing a kilowatt psu.
What I have noticed with the new NVidia cards is
The drivers need tweaking for 3 way SLI as the 980s should win easy in the thread I posted earlier and will in due time when NVidia get the drivers sorted.
I have also noticed a drop off in performance on some of the reviews when games use max settings @1080p and 1440p, it is not the end of the world as the 980 is still at least as fast as a 780ti in the worst cases. I think this could be due to the 256bit bus having to work harder when the game settings are maxed.
What I would like to see is a review with 3 or 4 of these cards using very high settings @4K, I know that the cards are not really targeted at this but it will show how much of a problem the 256bit bus is.
It's coming and it's 500mm^2+ on 28HPM.
The problems?
1) Watercooled + huge power consumption
2) Only coming in H1 2015
3) likely going to be facing GM200 instead of GM204.
Anyway high end isn't really AMD's issue. They've gotten used to giving high end away to NV many times. The problem is that they need a product that they can play the price war game with. That super big chip isn't going to save them from the $329 GTX 970.
With NV's lower die size, lower bus width and lower power GPUs beating AMD's chips it's actually nvidia that's in a better position to play the price game. Terrible news for AMD considering that Nvidia seems to have started right away and even worse is that it's pretty much confirmed that a 10SMM GTX 960 will launch next month making life really difficult for Tonga chips.
Basically what it boils down to is that Nvidia is either forcing AMD to take a marketshare hit or a huge hit to their margins. And again that huge watercooled chip isn't going to change this fact. What AMD needs is cards that are cheaper to make and faster than NV's stuff.
