AMD RX6000 vs Nvidia Ampere performance benchmarks (from AMD's website and compiled by Redditor)

[chroniclard]

Tbh what swung me to get the Strix 3090 was the fact I run an intel platform
I don’t want to have to buy a cpu and board to get the numbers shown, I only wanted a gpu amd possibly swap to the 5000 platform next year
When you factor in the software and drivers will be weaker (it always is) then I was always going to stick with an nvidia card as much as I wanted to think I might go amd.

Personally I think AMD should have made more of an effort to promote these cards on Intel platforms as well as their own amd setups - millions of people are on the z390 chipset globally with most running an i9 9900k and they didn’t once embrace that or recognise that.

Whilst I understand the reasons to promote your own CPU platform this was a GPU announcement and anyone encouraged into buying an AMD GPU now on an intel cpu platform will certainly swap to an amd 5000 cpu in the near future - not to embrace and encourage that by giving numbers when plugged into a z390 board was an opportunity missed I think by amd and tarnished an otherwise impressive presentation, they should have thought about the long haul as well - and didn’t.
That said it is nice to see them challenging and innovating again and bravo

Can you tarnish something that has yet to be released or reviewed?

 

[Richdog]

No clue why people think amd should have demonstrated their product with an intel cpu.

Agreed, that doesn't even make sense. It was a promotion of both RDNA2 and Zen3... why would they demo on Intel? The mind boggles.

Reviewers need to test on both AMD and Intel platforms, and may undoubtedly will (Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed) but to think AMD need to present RDNA2 on anything but Zen3 makes no sense.

More to the point, why release anything else when you can't even get the card you launched a few weeks ago into a decent state of supply. RTX 3080 is still the fastest card around @ £649 and RTX 3090 is still the fastest card at any price point. Both are the only game in town currently for AI upscaling and hardware based RT. Big navi might have an answer to that soon, but as of today don't.

Big Navi isn't even released to buy yet, it's 3 weeks away, so they only need the answer at or soon after launch. If we all as adults don't have that small level of patience to look at the bigger picture and wait for something that while nice, is hardly a mare or break feature for the next month or two, then there is something wrong

If/When AMD can advertise it's card in stock and has associated software available then the situation may change. I'm not sure that is going to happen much before the end of Q1 2021, which is probably when ti versions would be likely to appear anyway.

I predict that Nvidia are not planning on giving the 10GB 3080 a particularly long lifespan... even just the VRAM size (whether you think it actually matters in the real-world or not) is already becoming a marketing issue.

GPU minimum - 5

That could be for many reasons and is nothing to be concerned about at this point.

 

[KentMan]

Is Intel even still relevant at this current point in time?

 

[Richdog]

Is Intel even still relevant at this current point in time?

I know that's a rhetorical question and more of a snipe at their technological position, but I sus[ect that more gamers run Intel than AMD.

 

[Nablaoperator]

They should stick to their current test bench and slowly transition to AMD (if needed) after they have updated previous data to match the new bench. That's the basics of benchmarking, you'd like your data to be comparable.

That said neither GN or HUB are professional benchmarkers as they don't maintain or update their benchmarks at set frequencies. HUB doesn't even maintain a website for querying static data

 

[Richdog]

They should stick to their current test bench and slowly transition to AMD (if needed) after they have updated previous data to match the new bench. That's the basics of benchmarking, you'd like your data to be comparable.

That said neither GN or HUB are professional benchmarkers as they don't maintain or update their benchmarks at set frequencies. HUB doesn't even maintain a website for querying static data

Eh... they are not "professional benchmarkers"? That makes no logical sense. They do not maintain a benchmark database, but they are professional reviewers... that is their job. They use a scientific methodology to test hardware at a given point in time and as such their results are generally reliable and useful.

 

[Nablaoperator]

Eh... they are not "professional benchmarkers"? That makes no logical sense. They do not maintain a benchmark database, but they are professional reviewers... that is their job. They use a scientific methodology to test hardware at a given point in time and as such their results are generally reliable and useful.

I don't know man.. if you are presently stuck between a 970 and 1060 their data is not going to be that useful.

I have engaged with process consultants in a professional capacity..

..the stuff they do is not even close to the kind of reporting and statistical analysis that's expected from a professional benchmarking service..periodic database update is the least that's expected..

I would rate someone like techpowerup as relatively professional in this segment

 

[KentMan]

To do fully professional benchmarking in the world of PC gaming would be nigh on impossible as there is simply not enough hours in the day to benchmark every single variant of hardware in every conceivable combination against every vendor patch or firmware fix etc.

If they done something akin to the following each gen it would be a lot more popular and potentially reflect real world scenarios.

1. Have the current gen top i5, i7 and i9 platform, and the current gen r5, r7 and r9. Tune them as best as possible, best ram, best nvme available etc.

2. Benchmark each with low mid and high tier gpus each gen, so 3060, 3070, 3080 and 3090 vs 6700, 6800, 6800xt, 6900 etc.

3. Pick a suite of games, and synthetics, update this suite yearly based on the most popular titles of previous year, giving preference to games with inbuilt benchmarks.

4. Rebench each game and combo monthly if there are new patches for hardware or software.

It would be a thankless task but that is about as close as you will get to real world.

I rarely look at benchmarks as most are not relevant 3 or so months after they are taken. Especially as i mainly use AMD hardware.

If a channel could provide regular monthly updates on current performance in a specific suite of games with current up to date drivers and patches they would arguably become the defacto site for benchmarking PC hardware

 

[Participant]

No, CPU is 5 - look at the orange and green curves:

Lol4K8KW10

 

[Richdog]

I don't know man.. if you are presently stuck between a 970 and 1060 their data is not going to be that useful.

I have engaged with process consultants in a professional capacity..

..the stuff they do is not even close to the kind of reporting and statistical analysis that's expected from a professional benchmarking service..periodic database update is the least that's expected..

I would rate someone like techpowerup as relatively professional in this segment

I think you need to temper your expectations of a review site to more realistic and less anally retentive levels. Throwing in the: "I have consulted with process consultants in a professional capacity" is just LOL in the extreme.

GN and HU generally deliver what they need to within the means that they have, which are detailed reviews of current hardware with a good methodology that help you make informed decisions.

 

[gpuerrilla]

4k8KW10Zen3RDNA2 ?

 

[zx128k]

To do fully professional benchmarking in the world of PC gaming would be nigh on impossible as there is simply not enough hours in the day to benchmark every single variant of hardware in every conceivable combination against every vendor patch or firmware fix etc.

If they done something akin to the following each gen it would be a lot more popular and potentially reflect real world scenarios.

1. Have the current gen top i5, i7 and i9 platform, and the current gen r5, r7 and r9. Tune them as best as possible, best ram, best nvme available etc.

2. Benchmark each with low mid and high tier gpus each gen, so 3060, 3070, 3080 and 3090 vs 6700, 6800, 6800xt, 6900 etc.

3. Pick a suite of games, and synthetics, update this suite yearly based on the most popular titles of previous year, giving preference to games with inbuilt benchmarks.

4. Rebench each game and combo monthly if there are new patches for hardware or software.

It would be a thankless task but that is about as close as you will get to real world.

I rarely look at benchmarks as most are not relevant 3 or so months after they are taken. Especially as i mainly use AMD hardware.

If a channel could provide regular monthly updates on current performance in a specific suite of games with current up to date drivers and patches they would arguably become the defacto site for benchmarking PC hardware

Each website has a test system they stick too when doing GPU tests. Some are 10900k, others 3950x and few 8700k 5GHz. Some even older CPU's. Every gpu gets added as they are released and removed every refresh when obsolete. In the cpu tests they do current gpus at low resolution.

Doing every combination of gpu and cpu. Is pointless. You can easily work out which cpu is fastest and which gpu is fastest. 3dmark does most if not all systems, in all their combinations but only for game performance. No one cares about the combinations, just the bell curves. These provide the same conclusions as reviews. The only extra information you get is overclocking. If you want the type of testing you want, then pay the millions for it.

Reviewers are mostly contractors, they get paid to do the reviews and thats it. They get paid next to nothing for it. Most of the youtube channel lack the resources and just do product reviews. There is no money or point in providing for free a service that costs real money. You will only get a few applications tested beause its big money getting paid to find the best combinations of hardware and software for a clients needs. There are whole firms that make money doing just that.

Plus there is the information overload of every patch both for software and hardware. You would have a books worth of graphs for a few months. Almost everyone does not want that. No one would visit the site, they would go to the others where the information is simple and clearer to understand. If you rarely look at benchmarks and only consider them as relevant based on self imposed unresonable expectations. You will just have to be disappointed or pay the money for it. This does not make the reviews less relevant or the benchmarks.

You have too choices, pay for better or work with what is available. Once you see the cost, you wont be able to pay.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Reviewers also live off a few things, common ones are:

Merchandise, Patreon, sponsors, clickbait, ad-revenue. They probably have a few sidelines to but depends on how influential they are or if they came from a background within the industry. Like mentioned above, its not necessary to test for the sake of testing.

 

[Nablaoperator]

If a channel could provide regular monthly updates on current performance in a specific suite of games with current up to date drivers and patches they would arguably become the defacto site for benchmarking PC hardware

It's a good structure to start with. Depending on the depth of data they have, few statistical models can be built that will automatically fill up missing benchmark data.

I am fine with quarterly updates as well. Also, no need for videos either just structure that data and submit it to a database, we will then query the stuff we want.

They just need an application to automate workflow and unlock productivity. I feel techpowerup is in a good position to do this.. let's see how his website evolves

 

[krooton]

CT hat on: Nvidia stock issues are because they actually already secretly have loads of ti variants, and were waiting for the AMD launch before flooding the market with them.

 

[humbug]

...Soooo your answer to my question on why people aren't talking about it..is to go look up the numbers myself. Is that what you did when you decided what the numbers represented? Common sense, right?

Weird response. Weird thread.


On the front page for the rx6000 series*

AMD Radeon RX 6000 Series Graphics Cards | AMD

And before you ask, the numbers they show for gears 5 on the 'select a game' page are lower than they are on the front page.

* (and all over their presentation slides as well)

it seems Nvidia still scale better at 4K, but AMD are still competitive, at 1440P the RX 6000 series smashes it.

 

[gpuerrilla]

There may be more left in the tank with the 3080 at 4k which is still interesting. If the stock issues wont go away and AMD equally struggle to supply the 6800's, getting hold of a 3080 might end up being easier. I dont entertain the 3070 its not got the long term factor due to its lack of VRAM for higher res' and I dont like its beaten by the 2080Ti after all the hype stating it 'beats it'.

 

[nomadd]

Is Intel even still relevant at this current point in time?

Estimated full-year 2020 revenue of $75,300,000,000.00.

You decide.