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AMD Six Core Prices and Clock Speeds Unearthed

LOL ALI!

Show me one Intel board with support for the FULL USB3.0 spec - thats just one thing I can mention that the new AMD boards are better than Intel ones at (oh and integrated gfx are better on AMD boards)

Why don't you just admit your an Intel fanboy? :P
 
If these can beat an i7 then they should be great, it will need benchmarks though as intels dual core i3 gives the low end AMD quads a run for their money so with that in mind an i7 with its 8 threads could beat these hex cores.

HT isnt the useless feature it once was back in the P4 days :p
 
alihassan602 said:
Well the biggest problem for me is personally I think the AMD motherboards are crap compared to the motherboards that you can get for intel.
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Well look at the prices for Intel boards there so expensive. The term "You get what you pay for" comes to mind. Personally ive never had issues with AMD boards. Though i've never used a custom mainbord on Intel. I had a DFI Lanparty with my old 939 chip and that has been the best motherboard ive ever had.
 
MaxP779 said:
If these can beat an i7 then they should be great, it will need benchmarks though as intels dual core i3 gives the low end AMD quads a run for their money so with that in mind an i7 with its 8 threads could beat these hex cores.

HT isnt the useless feature it once was back in the P4 days :p
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going by just rumoured prices id say there performance is less/similar too a Core i7-930.
 
Just watch this space Intel users. AMD is on a comeback now :) Thanks to Intels shocking way of trying to destroy the competition! Which was brought to light and put right!
 
I've been watching this threads replies so far, and I think people have to be careful with there presumptions here.

AMD Phenom II X6 is not the answer to Intel Clock i7.
It won't match it clock for clock.
It won't match it in thread-limited situations.

In my estimation, take a two core limited program or game, and a similarly clocked i3 or i5 will be just as fast (or faster) as this 6 core monster at the same(ish) frequency.

However

The current Phenom II X4 range competes with i7 very well in gaming scenarios, typically within 10% when the clocks are pushed above 3.4Ghz.

People should look to getting these if they play lots of games and have a use for multi-threading/heavy multitasking (though not necessarily at the same time! LOL!).

I play games and I do a lot of virtualisation where more cores is greater than pure clock speed....

So for me this chip is a perfect upgrade from a Q6600, if it comes in at around the £160 price point.

PS If it somehow matches a similar clocked i7, i'll be gobsmacked, especially in non-gaming scenarios :)
 
What people need to realise is that these are not six core PII they are an upgrade to the current 45nm process. I expect as we saw a difference between C2 and C3 silicon we will see a similar increase here. Also its worth noting that these CPU have some additional features such as the turbo mode, which will 'of the shelf' give them a boost in single core applications.

I would be highly surprised if these did't offer a reasonable performance increase over i7-920 / 930 in properly multi-tasked applications that can make use of all six cores. In that case if they can hit 4ghz (and I don't see why not, core TDP compared to the current C3 X4's has been decreased so cooling shouldn't be an issue), then they should make a nice piece of kit for the gamer / multi-tasker..

Point is I guess that at the moment we have no bench marks.. everything is speculative based on the current X4 performance.. Indeed the new X4 Zosma may be a much better buy at such low TDP and the possibly of unlocking 1 or 2 cores to make it a pent or hex core
 
What's the release date for these? I currently have a Phenom II 965 at 4GHZ under water, with a 5850.
I can either crossfire a 5850, or get the AMD flagship on launch?
 
What do you do, if gaming a higher speed gpu won't offer you literally a single 1% performance increase, a second 5850 would probably give you a 50-80% fps boost in the majority of games you play. Its an easy choice.

Frankly while they will be good cpu's and due to the pricing will push down prices on everything else, making them better value, they won't really offer much to any of the majority here who want gaming performance.

Next year we might see quite a few more games that push quad cores a little harder but throughout this year, other than a couple woeful GTA4 type console fubar ports, a 6 core isn't going to help.

Someone did a Metro2033 review and got the same minimum and average framerates on a 980x and a 965, with both at a range of speeds from 2 to 4Ghz, the 965 was actually faster at every speed, though the results were pretty much within 1FPS from 2Ghz to 4Ghz and on both platforms.

This year we're only likely to get more gpu limited games as more companies make dx11 games and "overuse" effects before the cards are ready for them.


For those who do 3d rendering and the like, a 6 core AMD chip for sub £150 would be a godsend, even more so if they still quite easily hit 4Ghz like current X4's(and unlocked x2's) on silent cooling.
 
drunkenmaster said:
What do you do, if gaming a higher speed gpu won't offer you literally a single 1% performance increase, a second 5850 would probably give you a 50-80% fps boost in the majority of games you play. Its an easy choice.

Frankly while they will be good cpu's and due to the pricing will push down prices on everything else, making them better value, they won't really offer much to any of the majority here who want gaming performance.

Next year we might see quite a few more games that push quad cores a little harder but throughout this year, other than a couple woeful GTA4 type console fubar ports, a 6 core isn't going to help.

Someone did a Metro2033 review and got the same minimum and average framerates on a 980x and a 965, with both at a range of speeds from 2 to 4Ghz, the 965 was actually faster at every speed, though the results were pretty much within 1FPS from 2Ghz to 4Ghz and on both platforms.

This year we're only likely to get more gpu limited games as more companies make dx11 games and "overuse" effects before the cards are ready for them.


For those who do 3d rendering and the like, a 6 core AMD chip for sub £150 would be a godsend, even more so if they still quite easily hit 4Ghz like current X4's(and unlocked x2's) on silent cooling.
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They don't easily hit 4GHZ lol, no where near, it's rare to get one 12 hour prime blend stable.
 
Anyone heard any decent guess how these will compare with current AMD quads when running on 4 out of the 6 cores? I was thinking of a 965be but thinking it may be worth waiting and jumping in on the new tech.....
 
drunkenmaster

"Someone did a Metro2033 review and got the same minimum and average framerates on a 980x and a 965, with both at a range of speeds from 2 to 4Ghz, the 965 was actually faster at every speed, though the results were pretty much within 1FPS from 2Ghz to 4Ghz and on both platforms"

developers 4A said the engine has linear scaling up to 8 and 12 cores with double the performance everytime u add another core :| somethings seriously wrong with all the benchmarks and thier claims.they did say linear scaling is there with multicore as long as you are not GPU limited?


confused cpu gets limited by the GPU? i thought it was the other way around!



http://games.on.net/article/7836/Metro_2033_-_Technical_QA
 
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Troezar said:
Anyone heard any decent guess how these will compare with current AMD quads when running on 4 out of the 6 cores? I was thinking of a 965be but thinking it may be worth waiting and jumping in on the new tech.....
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Well at the same clock rate and in multi-threaded apps you can expect to see 50% improvement so for applications like video encoding in H.264 this chip will be very useful.


Rofflay said:
drunkenmaster

"Someone did a Metro2033 review and got the same minimum and average framerates on a 980x and a 965, with both at a range of speeds from 2 to 4Ghz, the 965 was actually faster at every speed, though the results were pretty much within 1FPS from 2Ghz to 4Ghz and on both platforms"

developers 4A said the engine has linear scaling up to 8 and 12 cores with double the performance everytime u add another core :| somethings seriously wrong with all the benchmarks and thier claims.they did say linear scaling is there with multicore as long as you are not GPU limited?


confused cpu gets limited by the GPU? i thought it was the other way around!



http://games.on.net/article/7836/Metro_2033_-_Technical_QA
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It depends on how the developers made the game, a lot of console ports tend to be very CPU bound and games like have lots of NPC's, AI, physics, pathfinding etc like Supreme Commander, GTA IV are also limited by the CPU.
 
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