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AMD teasing new product, is it Radeon or FirePro?
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Titan Black is still selling at £700, Titan is still rather popular even though you can get nearly two 980's for the price of one Titan Black.
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Maxwell cards are gaining market share while the AMD products look dated and old in comparison. The GTX 970 is an obvious choice for best bang for buck GPU even at it's launch price, competes with 290X on performance but uses little power and runs cool. Plus it's cheaper, all new features and full DirectX 12 support..
AMD need to do something, vague Roy Taylor tweets won't be enough..
I've seen a lot of guys on here that usually buy AMD turn to the dark side this week lol.
Haha, very true. This is only a few of us though..
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Depends on how you look at it.
Chance are people that could afford up to £300 and wanted bang for bucks and had no brand preference, they'd have went for the 290 9-10 months ago. Most people (note the word "most") that are upgrading to the 970 now are people who are not interested in AMD but would only buy Nvidia anyway.
If I was in the market to buy a new card now, I would go for the 970 over the 290 without a 2nd though, but for people that already have 290/780 series, they REALLY need not to get carried away by the power-efficiency hype, and sidegrade to a 970 at a loss on selling their card.
AMD did similar when Devil's Canyon was released to try to stem the tide, they hyped everyone up about a new mystery chip and it turned out to be nothing but FX9590 in retail guise with a bundled AIO cooler. It seems to be just one of their many marketing tactics.
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i have 2 choices
1...............get the 970............then another one in november
2...............get the 7990 water cooled............200 quid, plus a major rebuild to get the 240mm radiator in.
but i fancy something fresh and new, that's small and sexy................it's a no brainer, the 970 wins hands down
but i'd be swayed if i saw a 290x for 200 quid
1...............get the 970............then another one in november
2...............get the 7990 water cooled............200 quid, plus a major rebuild to get the 240mm radiator in.
but i fancy something fresh and new, that's small and sexy................it's a no brainer, the 970 wins hands down
but i'd be swayed if i saw a 290x for 200 quid
Well on my MSI R9 290 twin frozr Gaming OC I had:
Core 1080Mhz (from 977Mhz stock)
Mem 1400Mhz (from 1250Mhz stock)
Fan 100%
No increase in power limit or voltage
GPU hit 84c
Heaven gave me 55fps
My MSI 970 on a quick run, didn't even get to play with it
Core +200Mhz on the core = 1558Mhz boost (I think)
Mem +200Mhz on the memory
Fan 100%
No power limit increase or additional voltage
GPU hit 51c max
Heaven gave me 61fps
I know I'm going to lose money switching from a 290 to a 970 but the extra features on the Nvidia with the above results made it worth it for me.
Core 1080Mhz (from 977Mhz stock)
Mem 1400Mhz (from 1250Mhz stock)
Fan 100%
No increase in power limit or voltage
GPU hit 84c
Heaven gave me 55fps
My MSI 970 on a quick run, didn't even get to play with it
Core +200Mhz on the core = 1558Mhz boost (I think)
Mem +200Mhz on the memory
Fan 100%
No power limit increase or additional voltage
GPU hit 51c max
Heaven gave me 61fps
I know I'm going to lose money switching from a 290 to a 970 but the extra features on the Nvidia with the above results made it worth it for me.
+1
Although if AMD were to react by lowering the prices even further then I would have a harder decision.
I am waiting for the next lot of cards (20nm), no point making the switch especially since I am not really playing many games atm (and the ones I do, are running perfectly on max settings already), most of the ones I am looking forward to have been delayed till next year now
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There really is too much doomsaying going on. Both companies are suffering under the yoke of 28nm, you can see it in their designs. We'll see a bunch of boilers battle it out in the high end for a year or so then we'll start gearing up for 16nm and it'll be back to normal. Or what passes for normal round here. 
780 would be about 6fps faster too in Heaven, the only difference you are going to notice in game is:
You'll need thicker socks for the winter.
Mental sidegrade imo but as long as you are happy.
Titan Black is still selling at £700, Titan is still rather popular even though you can get nearly two 980's for the price of one Titan Black.
When the next one (Maxwell) goes on the shelves I think you will have it back up to £829.99 for the launch.
Edit if it is early next year can you put 4 aside for me please.
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+200core on the MSI gives me 1478, I run it at +222 for 1500. Use GPU-Z to monitor boost clock
Yeah I wasn't sure it might have been 1458, I assumed 1558 due to looking at another guys result. Then again why would I only hit 1458 if you are getting 1500 at the same +200, I need to test it again when I get home. Either way I still have a large increase over the 290. That's not even increasing the power limit.
People need to look at the big picture, AMD cannot just lower prices on the 290 ad 290x they would need to lower the entire range. (as has already been mentioned in this thread)
Power consumption, AMD has just shown its hand in this area with the Tonga which by comparison to Maxwell isn't much competition.
Now of course they will do something and it will probably a faster 290x variant so as to reclaim the performance crown, but at the moment AMD have no hope of matching the power consumption of the new Maxwell chips.
Power consumption, AMD has just shown its hand in this area with the Tonga which by comparison to Maxwell isn't much competition.
Now of course they will do something and it will probably a faster 290x variant so as to reclaim the performance crown, but at the moment AMD have no hope of matching the power consumption of the new Maxwell chips.
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Seem to me there's something wrong with your particular 290, with it hitting 84C at 100% fanspeed on the Twin FrozR Gaming.
Also the 970 on 1500MHz should be compared to the 290 on 1200MHz to be honest.
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Yeah I mean if you at look at it that way, the 2XX cards are likely more expensive to manufacture than the 9XX cards, Nvidia are raking it in on these cards already.. Do AMD drop prices to compete that way (Lose money) or make another massive card (Expensive to produce) that beats Nvidia performance but costs more to make and still looks old in terms of power consumption / heat.
Plus then Nvidia could simply launch a 'Ti' or 'Titan' at an even higher price point and claim the performance crown again, all the time being 1 step ahead and making more money on their cards..
It's a tricky situation for AMD, the move to a 20nm / 16nm node would help, but again expensive..
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Nah, they're crap on the MSI. Top card when Crossfired would easily hit the 94c throttle point
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Comparing single card to crossfire is like comparing banana to apple...there are other factors when it comes to crossfiring such as the slots spacings and the size and air-flow of the case. Most cases are no good at handling crossfire of "dump heat into case cooler" type cards in the first place.