AMD Threadripper 8Pack Elite Tier bundles and Threadripper testing.

[Silent_Scone]

Am I missing something? These two new TR chips labelled as 4.0Ghz only do 3.7 to 3.8 with good cooling on all cores? That's a first.

Did you expect much better from a 16 core chip based on Zen?

 

[dante666]

not really tbh and as for delidding a 1000 pound chip is a joke well that depends on your point of view... is it right no of course not would it stop me buying it also no because i want the best enthusiast chip so if thats what ive got to do then thats what ill do...i dont care who makes the best chip i have no fanboyisn to either team i want the ultimate performance chip and higher core speeds so to me at them mo thats intel

 

[humbug]

im sure im gonna get slammed for this but here goes.threadripper is a great chip wouldnt ever say it wasnt and we all know intel has been shady in its dealings and there is a price premium to say the least.i use a pc for running a couple of virtual boxes pen testing programs and tools and some gaming but i like to play around with my chip overclocking and experimenting and learning and i class myself as an enthusiast.i watercool so heating is not a great issue but to me the i9 is the chip i would choose higher clocks better overclocking still a beast and if heating issue just delid it.again the threadripper is a good option for some people but in my mind its not an enthusiast chip its a set and forget chip for and i think a lot of misinformation surrounds it.all things considered i think ill take the word of debauer and 8pack who sell and make money from building both systems so an unbiased opinion in my mind then youtubers who lets be honest are only as good as there last review because all of them have been slated at one time or another it just seems they are saying what people are liking at the moment so everyone is like yeah they are right when normally they are very hit and miss im sure not one person on these forums hasnt thought they are being paid to say something at one time or another so why are they so right now remember it only takes one weak core to throw off your overclock and an 8 core ryzen wont hit past 4ghz but now everyone has a 16 core basically 2 ryzens that will hit 4ghz on all 16 hmmm not sure i buy into that

You using 8 Pack and Der8auer names to plug Intel is out of line.

They have not made any specific performance comparisons between threadripper and the i9, yes he did say 'blanketley' that he thinks the i9 is for those who have money to burn, (Yes i'm paraphrasing) thats his job, its 8 Packs job to sell his 8Pack bundles.
As for Der8auer he gets sent free CPU's from Intel, he also sells Intel related products.

Yes both 8Pack and Der8auer are vested in Intel's sales.

Every single benchmark reviewed that are published can be replicated by anyone, those benchmarks are done on applications that are freely available to anyone, if you think they are faking them you can check that yourself, it would have been proved about 5 minutes after going live because anyone can proof check their results. so less of the Tin Foil hats.

£900 for an 8Pack binned 7700K https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inte...a1151-pre-binned-processor-oem-cp-007-oe.html

Money no object ^^^^

 

[humbug]

not really tbh and as for delidding a 1000 pound chip is a joke well that depends on your point of view... is it right no of course not would it stop me buying it also no because i want the best enthusiast chip so if thats what ive got to do then thats what ill do...i dont care who makes the best chip i have no fanboyisn to either team i want the ultimate performance chip and higher core speeds so to me at them mo thats intel

This makes no sense.

Threadripper is faster than the 7900X in anything MT productivity. do you think he faked his results?

Enfusiast is a term that can be thrown around for anything, the 7900X is not the better chip so...

Fanboy? well, the 1950X is faster and more power efficient than the 7900X.... who would be a Fanboy for buying it over the 7900X?

 

[gavinh87]

if heating issue just delid it

This would make a perfect sig.

As for 8pack and der8auer of course they prefer intel. They don't pay for their chips and they make money from them. Intel has a stronger IMC therfore can showcase 8packs ram better.
Der8auer even has his own delid tool lol! Of course they prefer intel.

Theres not much money in AMD for either of them, the overclocks don't vary that much like intel do so binning is pointless. They cannot delid them either.

 

[DarrenM343]

Did you expect much better from a 16 core chip based on Zen?

No, what I mean is CPU's usually reach the advertised clock speed stock easily. Ie, 3770 is 3.5, 6700 is 4. They usually run at that speed (all cores) and boost further out of the box, not require special cooling/tweaking just to hit the advertised clock speed. Don't get me wrong, I like threadripper and thought the 4Ghz speed was a bit high but it seems it does't run at the advertised clock speed out of the box with any half decent cooler! Requires a bit of work. Maybe should be advertised/marketed differently as it's a bit misleading?

if I pick up the 12 core and put on an air cooler, or AIO (cant be arsed with custom water), what would I expect to achieve re clock speed on all cores? 4Ghz or less?

Just found it and the base clock is 3.5 not 4 so why marketed as 4?

 

[muon]

The higher clocks are possible only with amazing cooling and if you don't care about pushing high temps and volts.

I just checked with Roman for his caseking testing results and his are almost exactly like mine. All 3.7 some 3.8 none 4ghz.

But 3.7 isn't even an overclock on the 1920X and is only 0.1 extra on the 1950X.

1920X @ Stock All Core Boost 3.7 + 4 Core Boost 4.2
1950X @ Stock All Core Boost 3.6 + 4 Core Boost 4.2

So I don't get what these overclock bundles are offering exactly (I would argue in the case of the 1920X an overclock to 3.7 is actually worse than stock as it switches off boost).

It also seems unlikely that AMD have them boosting at stock to similar levels of Ryzen if your theory that there must be a loss in frequency due to to chip size held true. The 4 Core Boost would actually suggest these chips are better.

 

[dante666]

if you think i was using there names to plug intel then i apologise as thats not how it was meant i was saying i would take there word over most youtubers and thats my perogative and they have said they couldnt get to 4ghz so again i reiterate how come they cant yet all the reviewers can trust me im not a fanboy if you can show me that the i9 is less at all things than threadripper i would gladly buy threadripper i want the best platform catered to my needs i can get but that includes playing with overclocking gaming and multi threaded performance we know the threadripper is a beast and i concede that point gladly i come here to get information from people who know more than me so again if i offend anybody thats not my intent but when all the things i do on a pc are taking into consideration i think the i9 works better everyone has the right to buy what they want without judgement but maybe helpful critisism and a steer in a different direction if you think they ar making a poorly judged decision but when i do 3 things on a pc and the i9 is better on 2 and still very fast on the third am i wrong

 

[muon]

I notice you didn't list the games which will be rendered unplayable by having it not boost 4 cores to 4.2GHz? Or did you?

I don't think there's a need to have a 2nd system, but I'm also not sure that losing the 0.6GHz boost on 4 cores (so 8 thread?) of a 24 thread CPU is the end of the world either.

That said, I'm also not sure a 0.1GHz boost on 12 cores (24 so threads) is worthwhile either. If you could get all the cores to 3.9/4GHz then I think it's be more worthwhile.

I'm now waiting for AMD to label this chip as the new "Overclockers Dream"!

Fine I can't list games. But something like Far Cry does benefit from a strong single thread and is where a significant weakness of Ryzen/Threadripper shows up. There must be other scenarios. Anything threaded well enough to take advantage of 16 cores won't miss that 0.1ghz imo.

It's an opinion only, but I'd rather have the 1920X at stock, all core 3.7 and 4 core 4.2, rather than a 1920X with all core 3.8.

 

[8 Pack]

This is ridiculous we are brand agnostic but performance enthusiasts. Why are you guys all so hostile. Amd make us more margin than Intel at a business level.

Spend your money on what you want use it and stop typing constantly. But I don't see the guys hostile about Threadripper even owning one.

I like the Cpu. I like the platform. It's very good value and power consumption. But my customers don't always care about any of this stuff. Understand that.

I will add Threadripper and ryzen to 8Pack systems and even bin some cpu's. We are supporting AMD.

 

[muon]

My point is a simple one though. You don't have to own Threadripper to see that you don't really want to be selling the 1920X with an overclock to 3.7. 3.8+ is fine but 3.7 I don't consider to be an overclock. Just double check what I am saying is right since you can run it at stock and see.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

Fine I can't list games. But something like Far Cry does benefit from a strong single thread and is where a significant weakness of Ryzen/Threadripper shows up. There must be other scenarios. Anything threaded well enough to take advantage of 16 cores won't miss that 0.1ghz imo.

It's an opinion only, but I'd rather have the 1920X at stock, all core 3.7 and 4 core 4.2, rather than a 1920X with all core 3.8.

I don't entirely disagree with you regarding the overclocking. I'm curious as to if you think Far Cry that is so dependant on single core performance would be affected much by a 0.5GHz OC? Is that the difference between playable and unplayable?

Even so, nobody's forcing you to buy an overclocked version, I think OcUK still sell the normal ones. You can buy one of them. Not sure why you felt the need to come into 8Pack's thread and bitch about it.

 

[8 Pack]

Yeah ofcourse we sell stock parts. No need to buy anything overclocked at all.

 

[Silent_Scone]

This is ridiculous we are brand agnostic but performance enthusiasts. Why are you guys all so hostile. Amd make us more margin than Intel at a business level.

Spend your money on what you want use it and stop typing constantly. But I don't see the guys hostile about Threadripper even owning one.

Few reasons

1) A lot of these folks don't have first-hand experience with the Intel HEDT platforms

2) Value is more precedent than performance, and they are not concerned with the fact Zen doesn't overclock very well at all (or simply can't accept it)

3) AMD can do no wrong

4) Comparing a 10 core part to a 16 core part at the same price point is enough for most people to get excited about, regardless of one's workflow or the putdowns.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Few reasons

1) A lot of these folks don't have first-hand experience with the Intel HEDT platforms

Maybe, but a lot have (myself included, and I've gone with Threadripper)

2) Value is more precedent than performance,

1950X is about the same price as 7900X, so the value calculation then comes down to how much performance you get for your dollar. Then you also look at how much more the X399 platform offers over the X299 platform.

and they are not concerned with the fact Zen doesn't overclock very well at all

Why does it matter that the 1950X doesn't overclock that well when it still often ends up beating an overclocked 7900X?

3) AMD can do no wrong

I think it's more the fact that people are glad AMD are back in the game to put an end to Intel's exploitative business practices and thus feel like rewarding AMD with a purchase.

4) Comparing a 10 core part to a 16 core part at the same price point is enough for most people to get excited about, regardless of one's workflow or the putdowns.

Bingo.

 

[Silent_Scone]

1950X is about the same price as 7900X, so the value calculation then comes down to how much performance you get for your dollar. Then you also look at how much more the X399 platform offers over the X299 platform.

It's not quite that simple, which is why I made point #1. Those that have experience with X370 would likely better understand, you're simply not getting the same experience at a platform level.

Why does it matter that the 1950X doesn't overclock that well when it still often ends up beating an overclocked 7900X?

Because single threaded performance still takes precedence in many cases. Just the same as it did with previous AMD iterations having a core advantage. As Ian has already said, it matters to a lot of customers. Once one removes the core advantage, what are we left with.

Zen is a remarkable achievement for AMD, but a lot of people seem to think it leaves Intel with no real place within the respective SKU. As Ian has pointed out though, that's fan talk. We know SKL-X is faster, and that's what matters to me personally, and many others.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

It's not quite that simple, which is why I made point #1. Those that have experience with X370 would likely better understand, you're simply not getting the same experience at a platform level.

I have experience with over 15 X370 machines and have had ZERO issues with them, in contrast to 10 X99 machines that were a bit of a mare for the first few months. Yes, X370 might have had a few issues when launched, but these were reoslved very quickly (quicker than Intel resolved X99 issues) and as of right now, X370 (and B350) is a very solid platform. Extrapolating to X399, it doesn't seem to have the same issues X370 did at launch - it's very solid right out of the gate, more so than X299 it seems (factoring the obviously rushed VRM cooling solutions etc).

Because single threaded performance still takes precedence in many cases. Just the same as it did with previous AMD iterations having a core advantage. As Ian has already said, it matters to a lot of customers. Once one removes the core advantage, what are we left with.

I've analysed my workflow, and single threaded performance is only applicable to 1/3 of my apps, therefore multi threaded performance is more pertinent to my usage (and I suspect the same would betrue for many other considering a HEDT platform).

Zen is a remarkable achievement for AMD, but a lot of people seem to think it leaves Intel with no real place within the respective SKU. As Ian has pointed out though, that's fan talk.

I agree, there is room for both, but Intel need to step up thier game a little, as both Ryzen and Threadripper are now the best choice for certain usage and cost scenarios.

We know SKL-X is faster, and that's what matters to me personally, and many others.

But it's not always faster is it? In the majority of the apps I use that Toms Hardware tested the 7900X and 1950X against, the 1950X was faster (even against an OC'd 7900X).

Spoiler

 

[Silent_Scone]

But it's not though is it?

lol, it is. As will be evident when the 7960X performance is made public

 

[Deleted member 66701]

lol, it is. As will be evident when the 7960X performance is made public

Sorry, I thought we were talking about processors we can actually buy NOW.

Well, if you're going to play that game, then the Zen2 version of the 1950X will be faster than the 7960X and so will the 24 core Threadripper.

 

[Silent_Scone]

You can buy the 7960X in less than a months time. Can't really comment on Zen2 performance, nobody can.