Interesting indeed. So what that video is showing is that game is not optimised for Ryzen, because there is no reason as to why it should run with 4 threads on intel and only 1 on ryzen. Also it was more like 60% on 4 threads.
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AMD THREADRIPPER VS INTEL SKYLAKE X
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Oh absolutely; we cannot know when we need more cores, although there are some tells (Frostbite 3 for example), destiny 2. The thing for me is, since I usually keep a system and go through many GPUs before upgrading anything else, I'd like to be ready.
CFL-S stops at 6C, which is where SKL-X begins. The former is a dead end and won't be as good as its 6C SKL-X counterpart (which in turn provides ample upgrades) - at least I think so unless they want to eat into their own HEDT. I need this system to do me well for years until Ice Lake-X or Tiger Lake-X.
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Be careful though; you may end up talking me into waiting for more CFL-S information or its release
what doesn't make sense is, a game that needed optimizations like tomb raider or total war, still had usage across all cores, but gpu usage was low even with multiple cores being used (and not being maxed out)
this seems entirely different in the sense of only a single core is being used, surely the scheduler should be assigning the threads regsrdless?
here's another conundrum for you guys.
3d mark firestrike on my 5960x
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12008594
here it is again with my 7700k (titan Xp instead of 1080ti)
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12829241
and finally on my 1800x system
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12728829
notice how the physics score scales as expected, but gpu gets held back on the ryzen system, worst is the combined score, it takes a massive hit on the 1800x.
Oh absolutely; we cannot know when we need more cores, although there are some tells (Frostbite 3 for example), destiny 2. The thing for me is, since I usually keep a system and go through many GPUs before upgrading anything else, I'd like to be ready.
CFL-S stops at 6C, which is where SKL-X begins. The former is a dead end and won't be as good as its 6C SKL-X counterpart (which in turn provides ample upgrades) - at least I think so unless they want to eat into their own HEDT. I need this system to do me well for years until Ice Lake-X or Tiger Lake-X.
- all I do is game.
Be careful though; you may end up talking me into waiting for more CFL-S information or its release
to be fair, we'll have coffeelake information within the next month, as it's targeted for an August launch, so July should be when specs and leaks show us actual potential.
I do think Intel has something up their sleeves in regards to coffeelake, their mainstream has always targeted gamers and given better gaming performance over their HEDT, skylake x hitting 5 ghz on 6 cores means either (imo)
coffeelake 6 cores come at nearly 5ghz out of the box, and overclock to 5.2 reliably (5.2 is doable on golden kabylake chips) through the reinfement of the 14nm++ node allowing +200mhz over kabylake
they've tinkered with something, I have no idea what but something in coffeelake and genuinely improved it's ipc by even a small amount like 5 or 6%.
but I do think there will be something on coffeelake that gives it the edge in games vs skylake x 6 core. what that is remains to be seen...
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Well I'm eager to learn more!
Pretty sure we don't know yet what clocks CFL-S has put of the box since that leaked entry was an early sample which usually come with lower than final clocks. Remind me though, what clocks did that sample have again?
You've done it though; making me consider ha ha well done
Well I'm eager to learn more!
Pretty sure we don't know yet what clocks CFL-S has put of the box since that leaked entry was an early sample which usually come with lower than final clocks. Remind me though, what clocks did that sample have again?
You've done it though; making me consider ha ha well done
no idea on the sample clocks tbh, I never really pay attention to 'samples' and leaks as half of them are ******** spread by wccftech lol.
I wouldn't expect less than 5ghz on the 6 core though, I don't think Intel's ever had a HEDT part clock higher than a mainstream whilst usong an older architecture and node.
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Oh I misunderstood your post - got it now regarding your clock expectations.
Correct, the mainstream parts always clock higher. Having CFL-S @ 5GHz out of the box would be amazing (and possible considering 14nm++), however whether or not we need it for games remains to be seen. Usually a higher frequency doesn't hurt, paired with some good frequency RAM (3GHz+). I'm thinking, because 6C at high clocks equals more heat, even on such a refined process, that perhaps running 4.6-4.8 with let's say 3466 RAM could be extremely satisfying while keeping temps in check. This, and similar setups, are likely easier to achieve than with SKL-X - maybe, since the latter is shaping up nicely.
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Given that thread ripper is basically two dies glued together, what do we think it's going to be like to cool? Rather toasty, or do we think the bigger socket will provide more surface area to conduct the heat away? Certainly a concern for anyone who wants to overclock it.
It's two R7 dies, separated quite significantly, so given how easy it is to cool a 1700/X then I can't imagine it proving hard at all.
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I think high latency, because of its odd double dies design is possibly a bigger concern...
I think its only Epyc that has the dies separated like that, but for its kind of use it won't be an issue.
No idea what your point is to be honest. You have the 7700k running 16gb of 3600 ram, the 5960 with 32gb of 3200 and finally the 1800x with 32gb at 2600. Only one of those systems relies of higher memory speeds the 1800x and it's running at the slowest speed.
Read about infinity fabric.
It's the same socket, and will be the same package design.
I ran the tests with 2996 and it only made about 2% difference in the combined score, and on overclockers there's a thread of people all with the same low combined score in firestrike regardless of ram speed.
Pre-Orders should go live from Monday (19th) with a release date of the 26th with up to the 10 core models. Other models will be later in the year.