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AMD to unveil Zen 4 CPUs at CES 2022

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Joxeon said:
Try doing 2200 fclk with the first gen 1700X then.
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What's that got to do with anything? A 5 year old 14nm GloFo IO die has nothing to do with a 7nm monolithic die or a 6nm TSMC IO die. Do you actually engage your brain before posting, or just make incredibly superficial, piecemeal posts to try and prove some kind of spam point?

The existing IO die can't do 2.2GHz IF. The 7nm monolithic 5000 series APUs can do 2.2GHz IF. So that's evidence right there that AMD is capable of producing a memory controller required for 1:1 ratio with chunky fast DDR5. The new IO die is completely different.

So unless you have a crystal ball and can show Zen 4's IO die can't do fast memory controllers, stop posting these silly little fud retorts. They make you look stupid.
 
LePhuronn said:
What's that got to do with anything? A 5 year old 14nm GloFo IO die has nothing to do with a 7nm monolithic die or a 6nm TSMC IO die. Do you actually engage your brain before posting, or just make incredibly superficial, piecemeal posts to try and prove some kind of spam point?

The existing IO die can't do 2.2GHz IF. The 7nm monolithic 5000 series APUs can do 2.2GHz IF. So that's evidence right there that AMD is capable of producing a memory controller required for 1:1 ratio with chunky fast DDR5. The new IO die is completely different.

So unless you have a crystal ball and can show Zen 4's IO die can't do fast memory controllers, stop posting these silly little fud retorts. They make you look stupid.
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The IO die would have been designed 2 years ago so it's unlikely that it will be able to run any faster than the standard jedec spec DDR5 with Zen 4 without going 2-1

Also AMD is likely to play it safe with the switch to a new platform and can't afford the memory issues like that plagued the original Zen release.
 
Joxeon said:
The IO die would have been designed 2 years ago so it's unlikely that it will be able to run any faster than the standard jedec spec DDR5 with Zen 4 without going 2-1

Also AMD is likely to play it safe with the switch to a new platform and can't afford the memory issues like that plagued the original Zen release.
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Whatever they choose it will be pure ddr5 memory controller, so that means faster speeds than Intel. As i said, with hybrid design you have to make compromises to work on 2 much different modes, and it is more complex to make, AMD won't have that issues. Only issues could be price and availability of ddr5, but it will improve by that time, and when i buy new platform i buy new memory too, and ddr5 is future proof so it will stay for long time, as long as AM5 is alive, and it will be at least 2-3 generations so when you do a math it isn't that expensive to buy ddr5.
 
Joxeon said:
it's unlikely that it will be able to run any faster than the standard jedec spec DDR5 with Zen 4
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Joxeon said:
It's unlikely that AMD will be able to run 1-1 fclk with any DDR5 over 4800mhz
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Make up your mind which one it is, since JECED standards for DDR5 are up to 6400MT/s

So is it 4800 or 6400, or another random number you'll come up with?
 
Journey said:
Was DDR5 around 2 year ago? Heck you were barely around 2 years ago, but you seem to think you are an expert on things or maybe it is just because AMD annoyed you with prices and TDP's :cry::cry::cry:
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DDR5 engineering samples have been a thing for over 2 years now, how you think all this new hardware gets tested pre release?

What speed do you think AMDs new zen 4 fclk will run 1-1 with DDR5 then seems as you think I'm way off and maybe then we will see who offered the expert take on things at release.
 
Robert896r1 said:
Some of your really think fclk on zen4 will run 1:1 at ddr5 speeds?
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Asks Joxeon, he's the only one making predictions with actual numbers.

What's the max you've managed on your Ryzen systems? As I said earlier I have a 5600G that will happily run at 2200MHz IF/4400Mhz DDR4 1:1 all day long, that's a 7nm monolithic chip, I am not sure what tricks AMD have with the new I/O designs that could be on 5nm, or 7nm. However I don't think that hitting 2500MHz or maybe even a bit higher, but no one here knows they are just throwing random numbers around due to ill feeling or lack of knowledge.
 
Joxeon said:
The IO die would have been designed 2 years ago so it's unlikely that it will be able to run any faster than the standard jedec spec DDR5 with Zen 4 without going 2-1

Also AMD is likely to play it safe with the switch to a new platform and can't afford the memory issues like that plagued the original Zen release.
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OK, you're just talking utter trash now. Do you genuinely believe AMD would be so shortsighted and design Zen 4 solely around JEDEC specs, knowing full well that the JEDEC baseline is rapidly surpassed within months of memory hitting the consumer market?

You literally need to shut up now or stop with the incessant trolling and thread trashing, the utter tripe you come out with is getting really damn tiresome.
 
LePhuronn said:
OK, you're just talking utter trash now. Do you genuinely believe AMD would be so shortsighted and design Zen 4 solely around JEDEC specs, knowing full well that the JEDEC baseline is rapidly surpassed within months of memory hitting the consumer market?

You literally need to shut up now or stop with the incessant trolling and thread trashing, the utter tripe you come out with is getting really damn tiresome.
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You will see more meltdown from him, AMD isn't some small company anymore and he can't accept that. When Zen 4 releases i expect meltdown/rage mode level max from him and Dave.
 
LePhuronn said:
OK, you're just talking utter trash now. Do you genuinely believe AMD would be so shortsighted and design Zen 4 solely around JEDEC specs, knowing full well that the JEDEC baseline is rapidly surpassed within months of memory hitting the consumer market?

You literally need to shut up now or stop with the incessant trolling and thread trashing, the utter tripe you come out with is getting really damn tiresome.
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Not sure why your getting so emotional just because I don't think Zen 4 will do above 2400 fclk which I think is actually quite a generous prediction, your living in fantasyland if you think your going to get 1-1 with 3000+ fclk with the first iteration of AM5 chips.

Gondar said:
You will see more meltdown from him, AMD isn't some small company anymore and he can't accept that. When Zen 4 releases i expect meltdown/rage mode level max from him and Dave.
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Judging by the comments it's others who are having the meltdown.
 
Joxeon said:
Not sure why your getting so emotional just because I don't think Zen 4 will do above 2400 fclk which I think is actually quite a generous prediction, your living in fantasyland if you think your going to get 1-1 with 3000+ fclk with the first iteration of AM5 chips.



Judging by the comments it's others who are having the meltdown.
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Juding by whom? You? A guy that can't see 90% things in his own posts and slides, guy that do opposite of everything he write. While Zen 4 will be on AMD first iteration of AM5, they will be on bleeding node and coming later so it will support higher ddr5 speeds and be more refined, especially if it is ddr5 only controller. Mobile platform will be their first ddr5 platform, they have time to get feedback and tweak it little bit. ADL is a beta test ddr5 platform for RPL, released early when ddr5 were in beginning, almost no availability and low speed.
 
Gondar said:
Juding by whom? You? A guy that can't see 90% things in his own posts and slides, guy that do opposite of everything he write. While Zen 4 will be on AMD first iteration of AM5, they will be on bleeding node and coming later so it will support higher ddr5 speeds and be more refined, especially if it is ddr5 only controller. Mobile platform will be their first ddr5 platform, they have time to get feedback and tweak it little bit. ADL is a beta test ddr5 platform for RPL, released early when ddr5 were in beginning, almost no availability and low speed.
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If you bothered reading what I wrote you would know I'm not even talking about the speed that DDR5 will run but rather the speed that will memory controller will run in a 1-1 mode with DDR5.
 
Joxeon said:
If you bothered reading what I wrote you would know I'm not even talking about the speed that DDR5 will run but rather the speed that will memory controller will run in a 1-1 mode with DDR5.
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Give me some source/facts about it, i dont care what you think, because it will be opposite of what you think. I'm glad you talk about 1-1 mode, cuz i said many times, they have mobile platform for testing, and it will be full ddr5 controller without compromises unlike Intel hybrid design, and also on TSMC 6nm node i have no doubt that it will work much better than ADL.
 
Gondar said:
Give me some source/facts about it, i dont care what you think, because it will be opposite of what you think. I'm glad you talk about 1-1 mode, cuz i said many times, they have mobile platform for testing, and it will be full ddr5 controller without compromises unlike Intel hybrid design, and also on TSMC 6nm node i have no doubt that it will work much better than ADL.
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Well tbf if it does 1-1 with the memory at 4800mhz then it will be much better than ADL which struggles to run gear 1 above 4000mhz with DDR5.
 
Joxeon said:
Well tbf if it does 1-1 with the memory at 4800mhz then it will be much better than ADL which struggles to run gear 1 above 4000mhz with DDR5.
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That's the cost of hybrid design a.k.a it support ddr4 and ddr5, you can have both, but you can't have max performance. I myself prefer max performance at whatever cost, if i buy new platform i will buy new ddr standard, and ddr5 is future proof so it will work with Zen 5 and Zen 6 at least so no problem spending more on ddr5.
 
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