***AMD Trinity review thread***

[wannabedamned]

I'll be grabbing one. I always grab new tech, its better to beable to give advice and opinion when you've had a good play around.

Not sure which to get yet, My goal will be looking for a high clocker and pushing both sides inorder to get a decent gaming system without buying a seperate GPU.

Fantastic for us system builders looking to build budget systems with wiggle room.

"We just want to play flash games, and watch movies" Awesome an intel processor will be fine for you needs.

A week later

"IT DOESNT RUN SKYRIM"

.....le sigh

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I'll be grabbing one. I always grab new tech, its better to beable to give advice and opinion when you've had a good play around.

Not sure which to get yet, My goal will be looking for a high clocker and pushing both sides inorder to get a decent gaming system without buying a seperate GPU.

Fantastic for us system builders looking to build budget systems with wiggle room.

"We just want to play flash games, and watch movies" Awesome an intel processor will be fine for you needs.

A week later

"IT DOESNT RUN SKYRIM"

.....le sigh

You are going to like the A6-5400K then. It cost around £50 to £55 and has only slightly lower IGP performance than an A8-3850:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10-5800k-a8-5600k-a6-5400k,3224-15.html

 

[kitch9]

As we all knew....terrible IPC per core (relative to Intel), very good (relative to Intel) GPU performance.

HTPC...perfect choice, anything else get an Intel and cheap discrete GPU.

Hold on, its a 90 quid chip.... It DESTROYS Intels 90 quid chip to the point its not even funny....

 

[elroberto]

Ok, The CPU performance is still not on a Parr with the i3, but there are significant gains toward it.

Quite significant is it beats out or matches the much higher clocked FX-4170 http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-a10-5800k_6.html#sect1

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-a10-5800k_8.html#sect0

So it looks like there are significant improvements on the Piledriver cores vs the Bulldozer cores.

And 4.4 - 4.6Ghz on the stock cooler is also very significant, that's much better overclocking than Bulldozer, it bodes well for getting high clocks on a 20 - £30 cooler.

So far so good.

Edit; having said "not on parr with the i3" in some real life apps it is http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10-5800k-trinity-efficiency,3315.html

On a few of the apps that like multithreading it gives the i3 a complete and utter shoeing. apart from one or two programs which remain single threaded the Intel's better IPC puts it in front but programs like that will reduce over the next few years. And Power consumption under load goes the i3's way, though this might well be balanced by Trinity's more efficient power handling at idle.

 

[elroberto]

Hold on, its a 90 quid chip.... It DESTROYS Intels 90 quid chip to the point its not even funny....

Now if only they had an i5 beater. Piledriver won't do that but hopefully it get's closer...and likes to clock as much as Trinity..

 

[imb4tman]

I've been thinking about building a media PC for a while and I think this looks like the one for me. An A10 on a micro ITX board with a 6670 in hybrid crossfire would be an excellent media player and it would nice to be able to game in the living room again while keeping things quite.

 

[Martini1991]

Hold on, its a 90 quid chip.... It DESTROYS Intels 90 quid chip to the point its not even funny....

I wouldn't say it destroys it, not consistently anyway.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/677?vs=675

It's serious competition though, and with the OC'ing it'll definitely be the one I'd choose. I'd hope forces Intel to release an unlocked dual core.

And that's in no way a fanboy comment from me in the slightest, I've presented the comparison, said it's competition and I'd pick one. But to say it destroys it as a baseline statement?

 

[wannabedamned]

To be fair, I find its the people who post the extreme remarks who are fanboys. The ones who exist in the black and white areas, avoiding greys.

People who use terms such as "Destroys"

 

[Martini1991]

To be fair, I find its the people who post the extreme remarks who are fanboys. The ones who exist in the black and white areas, avoiding greys.

People who use terms such as "Destroys"

With capital letters!

 

[mmj_uk]

My main concern with the FM2 platform is that there is no upgrade path as far as the CPU goes, there's a lot of talk about Intel GPU's being dire but you can always add a 6570 etc, what happens with Trinity when the CPU is holding you back?

If I were AMD I would have scrapped 990FX by now and merged Bulldozer/Piledriver with FM2.

 

[kitch9]

To be fair, I find its the people who post the extreme remarks who are fanboys. The ones who exist in the black and white areas, avoiding greys.

People who use terms such as "Destroys"

*Yawns*

Here come the fanboy police, everyone's a fanboy but them.

I wonder if they whack the blue flashing light on their desk before posting? Keep fighting the good fight boys, you keep checking every thread to make sure "fanboys" aren't posting positive stuff about stuff you don't like.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

To be fair, I find its the people who post the extreme remarks who are fanboys. The ones who exist in the black and white areas, avoiding greys.

People who use terms such as "Destroys"

What about,the ones who suggest buying something secondhand with no warranty and then comparing it to new prices??!!

 

[Martini1991]

I don't quite get AMD's approach with its 2 different CPU segments, however by all accounts FM2's going to take the next generation APU.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I don't quite get AMD's approach with its 2 different CPU segments, however by all accounts FM2's going to take the next generation APU.

The Trinity CPUs for laptops and desktops are the same die. The AM3+ CPUs use the same dies as the AMD server CPUs,and are basically the runts of the litter!!

 

[wannabedamned]

*Yawns*

Here come the fanboy police, everyone's a fanboy but them.

I wonder if they whack the blue flashing light on their desk before posting? Keep fighting the good fight boys, you keep checking every thread to make sure "fanboys" aren't posting positive stuff about stuff you don't like.

Anyways, going on that review I'll probably grab a A6-5400k. Perfect to play around for a while to get to grips with it and then it can just drop into my HTPC. Depending on how great the XBMCbuntu support is with regards to hardware acceleration on APUs

 

[Martini1991]

The Trinity CPUs for laptops and desktops are the same die. The AM3+ CPUs use the same dies as the AMD server CPUs,and are basically the runts of the litter!!

Yeah, I get that.
But where's the IGP on the AM3+ stuff lol?

*Yawns*

Here come the fanboy police, everyone's a fanboy but them.

I wonder if they whack the blue flashing light on their desk before posting? Keep fighting the good fight boys, you keep checking every thread to make sure "fanboys" aren't posting positive stuff about stuff you don't like.

Agh, I get it.
The fanboys are the ones who can see both sides.

We're either 110% for a product and can't contest anything about it, or we're fanboys.
Thanks for clearing it up.

What about,the ones who suggest buying something secondhand with no warranty and then comparing it to new prices??!!

Generally people don't mind helping out with warrantys and some people don't mind going second hand.
I'd never buy second hand myself, but if going secondhand for someone else can get more out of their budget and they don't mind, then I'm not sure how that's being a fanboy (Not even sure what that would make someone a fanboy of, I've gone second hand on AMD CPU's to get more out of their budget, should that be forgotten because people suggest the same on an Intel rig and GPU?)

I can't pin you down Cat, you confuse me, seemingly differing day to day on your overall opinion on a matter.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Yeah, I get that.
But where's the IGP on the AM3+ stuff lol?

The IGP is off-die.

Generally people don't mind helping out with warrantys and some people don't mind going second hand.
I'd never buy second hand myself, but if going secondhand for someone else can get more out of their budget and they don't mind, then I'm not sure how that's being a fanboy (Not even sure what that would make someone a fanboy of, I've gone second hand on AMD CPU's to get more out of their budget, should that be forgotten because people suggest the same on an Intel rig and GPU?)

OTH,some people go on about,why buy X new,when you can A and B secondhand,and they ONLY do it for perhaps one brand. So why not consider how much X will be secondhand?

Moreover,secondhand prices can vary and you get a warranty on new parts which is one reason why it is more expensive. I have seen people get a Core i7 920 for £100 and then dismiss any other new Intel or AMD CPU in that price range as being irrelevant.

I got my current graphics card really cheaply secondhand,but I don't go around saying anything new in the same price range is pointless.

 

[humbug]

On a few of the apps that like multithreading it gives the i3 a complete and utter shoeing. apart from one or two programs which remain single threaded the Intel's better IPC puts it in front but programs like that will reduce over the next few years. And Power consumption under load goes the i3's way, though this might well be balanced by Trinity's more efficient power handling at idle.

Taking about Real life Single core performance....

Lets look at it again.

Here is an old FX-8150 review. In that they had all the CPU's running at 3.3Ghz to compare the IPC,

Now if you look at iTunes here As you can see Ivy Bridge is slightly faster that Sandy Bridge.

But what we are looking at is the Bulldozer, @ 3.3Ghz it's 2.03.
A massive yawning gap to Intel
Piledriver @ 3.8Ghz is 1.26, that is a massive leap ahead from Bulldozer, and significantly faster than my Thuban.
Granted if you down clock the Piledriver core to clock for clock it's on parr for Thuban at best, but still way ahead of Bulldozer (the reason i never bought Bulldozer)

But crucially the gap to Intel's (Ivy Bridge) has been cut in half clock for clock.

If we take that a step further and imagine the FX-43## Piledriver running @ 4 or 4.2ghz stock it will be even closer to the i3, perhaps close enough to be some way comparable.

 

[Martini1991]

The IGP is off-die.

Ha, you didn't get what I was meaning.
I figured the whole point was to bring IGP's to CPU's, AMD only seem to be doing it so far for one section (Although much better than Intel may I add, if Intel get their heads in the game, it might remove the entry level discrete market so that performance will start at say a 4670, as opposed these countless rebranded cards that offer nothing over IGP's)
Bulldozer itself was meant to come out with an IGP (As far as I'm aware) and many reviews suggested that the next generation would (As opposed 2 different CPU sections)

OTH,some people go on about,why buy X new,when you can A and B secondhand,and they ONLY do it for perhaps one brand. So why not consider how much X will be secondhand?

Moreover,secondhand prices can vary and you get a warranty on new parts which is one reason why it is cheaper. I have seen people get a Core i7 920 for £100 and then dismiss any other new Intel or AMD CPU in that price range as being irrelevant.

Secondhand prices can vary (Which in itself can be a problem, as you may forever hold of getting a decent part cheap), and you do get warranty on new parts (Which is why I always buy new) but some people really don't mind helping out (As I've had to do on stuff I've sold)
Plus some parts really have no problem being second hand, CPU's.

I've seen a lot of core i7's go for 100 quid, there's nothing in that price region brand new I'd get over an i7, or a Phenom II 1100T for that matter.

I guess it's hard to get such a bargain, to then go buy something new and have to spend a lot more to get equal/better performance than what you've just bought at the low price.
Although I wouldn't consider the over offering irrelevant, maybe for the individual in question in terms of upgrading.

 

[kitch9]

We're either 110% for a product and can't contest anything about it, or we're fanboys.
Thanks for clearing it up.

Dude you've been in every AMD CPU thread posted for the last 6 months at least making sure people can't say positive things about their purchases or even contemplate a AMD cpu, and you are still banging the same IPC drum now that you were then.

We get it you run single threaded apps all day and only encode video on your CPU, the rest of us will use any chips we own to their particular strengths....

I don't own an AMD CPU or GPU at the minute by the way, but my office and friends low budget rigs will be built with these going forward I reckon, they are a nice all round chip.