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AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

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beany_bot said:
Are you talking about Ashes?
That was a Vega demonstration not Zen.
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No, I'm talking about the Ryzen BF1 demo yesterday. Where they cranked up the resolution to 4k to do a CPU comparison...I mean, come on.

An 8350 can do 60-70fps in BF1, so cranking up the resolution to 4k wouldn't change that. It would just mean things become GPU limited, which is exactly what happened.

Panos said:
They proved while 10% under clocked is similar to the i7 6900, if not faster.
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They proved nothing of the sort. They cherry picked two performance tests, one of which is somewhat questionable. This does not at all 'prove' anything at all when talking about overall capability. When AMD released Bulldozer, it was equal or faster than Sandy Bridge in a small handful of apps/benches, too. But we know damn well it wasn't a better CPU overall, not even close. Only a full run of tests, benches and *real* CPU-limited gaming scenarios will we know where it stands.
 
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Seanspeed said:
No, I'm talking about the Ryzen BF1 demo yesterday. Where they cranked up the resolution to 4k to do a CPU comparison...I mean, come on.

An 8350 can do 60-70fps in BF1, so cranking up the resolution to 4k wouldn't change that. It would just mean things become GPU limited, which is exactly what happened.


They proved nothing of the sort. They cherry picked two performance tests, one of which is somewhat questionable. This does not at all 'prove' anything at all when talking about overall capability. When AMD released Bulldozer, it was equal or faster than Sandy Bridge in a small handful of apps/benches, too. But we know damn well it wasn't a better CPU overall, not even close. Only a full run of tests, benches and *real* CPU-limited gaming scenarios will we know where it stands.
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So the 8Core 16thread AMD CPU using identical settings and identical GPU beat/matched the Intel 8 core 16 thread CPU. So some how the AMD platform is faster or at least on par in gaming. Yea we do not know overall capability but its shaping up nicely. AMD just need to price this right and intel are in trouble unless they drop prices. Even intel think 2017 is going to be a bad year for them. They aimed for 40% improvement and claimed to have exceeded that goal. Vega seems to be shaping up nicely too.
 
r7slayer said:
So the 8Core 16thread AMD CPU using identical settings and identical GPU beat/matched the Intel 8 core 16 thread CPU. So some how the AMD platform is faster or at least on par in gaming. Yea we do not know overall capability but its shaping up nicely. AMD just need to price this right and intel are in trouble unless they drop prices. Even intel think 2017 is going to be a bad year for them. They aimed for 40% improvement and claimed to have exceeded that goal. Vega seems to be shaping up nicely too.
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about time this happened to be honest. I am not particularly happy with intel at this point in time. Every year I look at what's available.

Is it worth ponying up hundreds and hundreds of pounds to replace my aging CPU, MB and DDR3 Ram? The answer has been no .. for 5 years in a row ...

time to shake up this market a little, me thinks and if Zen can do that ... here's some clapping from me ... maybe upgrade time has finally arrived ... just maybe :)
 
Griffildur said:
about time this happened to be honest. I am not particularly happy with intel at this point in time. Every year I look at what's available.

Is it worth ponying up hundreds and hundreds of pounds to replace my aging CPU, MB and DDR3 Ram? The answer has been no .. for 5 years in a row ...

time to shake up this market a little, me thinks and if Zen can do that ... here's some clapping from me ... maybe upgrade time has finally arrived ... just maybe :)
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I am in the same scenario. I have thought about upgrading my aging 4770K at 4.4GHz and 16GB DDR3 for years. Every single time I check reviews for specifically gaming performance I see no improvement. Then I check the prices for a new CPU, DDR4 and motherboard and I lol. £600 for no perceptible improvement in gaming.

At least if prices are driven down I can justify it.
 
ICDP said:
I am in the same scenario. I have thought about upgrading my aging 4770K at 4.4GHz and 16GB DDR3 for years. Every single time I check reviews for specifically gaming performance I see no improvement. Then I check the prices for a new CPU, DDR4 and motherboard and I lol. £600 for no perceptible improvement in gaming.

At least if prices are driven down I can justify it.
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I'm exactly the same with a similar system. I've even had a 6850k system in my basket but just couldn't justify pulling the trigger (which is super unusual for me as I don't need excuses to buy tech).

I graduate at the end of May so that's my next upgrade window (no way am I upgrading my PC in the middle of a dissertation and three big app builds!) - I'll have had the core of system (cpu/mobo/mem) for 3 years at that point - the longest I've ever kept a core. I'm hoping Zen will provide a nice upgrade path that's better value than Intel's current offering.
 
r7slayer said:
So the 8Core 16thread AMD CPU using identical settings and identical GPU beat/matched the Intel 8 core 16 thread CPU.
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No dude. lol

We dont know this AT ALL yet.

What's wrong with you guys? What makes your brains fall out when it comes to AMD products that you cant step back and have some cautious optimism, like I know damn well you'd be doing if this were an Nvidia product.

None of the demonstrations have *proven* anything whatsoever. Not remotely close. I'll say it again - even Bulldozer matched or bettered Sandy Bridge in the odd app/benchmark when it first came out. We all saw how that turned out.

Stop acting like people who have never dealt with stuff before. This place is supposed to be a forum for enthusiasts, yet all I largely see is people acting like ignorant fools.
 
JediFragger said:
One word: Hype Train


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Yup there is always a hype train, Nvidia derailed their own hype train with their pricing with Pascal. Performance is there but damn their pricing is sooo high.

I really hope AMD cards aren't priced to the moon also. But alas if one can do it why not the other ...

At this rate my next gen GPU will be a 1150 Ti or a RX 560 xD
 
Boomstick777 said:
At this rate my next gen GPU will be a 1150 Ti or a RX 560 xD
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No you won't... that price-point of cards have been the worst to improve over the years. A good many years back I had a HD6770 that cost me roughly £80... not only will you not find anything reasonable from either AMD or Nvidia, but the RX460 isn't even twice as fast (though it is close) as the 6770. It barely keeps up with a 370, but that was a £120 card to begin with. Cards at the low end seem progress just like Intel CPUs do currently, a measly improvement for what it's worth.

At least at higher prices the cards improve. Even if you take the 1070 to be a replacement for the 980, it's still a substantial increase in performance from the 980. You'll be lucky if the 1150ti or RX 560 can perform like a 280. Though that's what you should get, a 280 compared to a 460 is like the 1070 compared to a 980. It'll be a few years before cards at that price point get reasonable performance.

'Best bang for buck' actually lies at a higher price point, contrary to what you might think. Right now, that's the 470, but of course you've missed out on the well priced models a few weeks back, right now it's not worth buying with these prices. AMD need Vega to do what the 470 did, so it'll be interesting to see what the 2nd best Vega card does, since the top dog is unlikely to hit the magic 4k60 in most titles (except Vulkan/AMD-optimised perhaps).
 
Panos said:
As for the Vega test they had last night, the 1080 at 4K ultra on Battlefront does around 48-50fps on the Death star map. (which is similar to the map presented from the rogue one). The Vega was faster than 60 fps.
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It depends entirely on the settings used. For instance Deathstar map with a TXP all maxed with NO AA at 4K. Gets in the region of 120-130fps.

Such a map is no indication of how VEGA will perform. Even fully maxed I'd expect a 1080 to keep over 60fps on that map.

 
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mahius said:
No you won't... that price-point of cards have been the worst to improve over the years. A good many years back I had a HD6770 that cost me roughly £80... not only will you not find anything reasonable from either AMD or Nvidia, but the RX460 isn't even twice as fast (though it is close) as the 6770. It barely keeps up with a 370, but that was a £120 card to begin with. Cards at the low end seem progress just like Intel CPUs do currently, a measly improvement for what it's worth.

At least at higher prices the cards improve. Even if you take the 1070 to be a replacement for the 980, it's still a substantial increase in performance from the 980. You'll be lucky if the 1150ti or RX 560 can perform like a 280. Though that's what you should get, a 280 compared to a 460 is like the 1070 compared to a 980. It'll be a few years before cards at that price point get reasonable performance.

'Best bang for buck' actually lies at a higher price point, contrary to what you might think. Right now, that's the 470, but of course you've missed out on the well priced models a few weeks back, right now it's not worth buying with these prices. AMD need Vega to do what the 470 did, so it'll be interesting to see what the 2nd best Vega card does, since the top dog is unlikely to hit the magic 4k60 in most titles (except Vulkan/AMD-optimised perhaps).
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This is what I'm waiting for.
Either the lowest Vega card or the release pushes the price of the 470/480 down to a reasonable level.
 
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