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AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

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I cannot agree that AMD releases have been so bad over the last 4 years....

Firstly, Fiji based cards weren't that far off the 980Ti (don't forget that the 980 was the target for Fury/FuryX - The 980Ti was what Nvidia pushed out to combat the Fiji cards just before their release and to do that they had to give you a Titan X with a bit of a limp in one leg on a Wednesday afternoon i.e. Almost a full Titan X at half the price).

Secondly those 290/390 and their X variants are still giving people some great FPS numbers on todays games and have beaten everything they were put up against and then some. And they are still going fairly strong.

As for AMD have nothing in the pipeline to combat the 1070 and 1080.....well we are all fully aware of Vega and have been for quite some time...so not sure what you are getting at here.

Nvidia card technology seems to favour higher clock speeds whereas AMDs does not....but the RX480 v 1060 is probably the closest competition that both companies have ever had and look at the clock speed differences between those cards...IMHO it just means that the engineering in the AMD cards is competing without the higher clock speeds. Nvidia users seem to be totally fixated with higher clock speeds and brute force and boy do Nvidia love to feed the beast. The problem here is how far can this tech still be pushed? I actually think that it is very close to its limit as those 1080s are struggling to pull beyond 2.1Ghz no matter what is done to them.

I don't actually think that we will see AMD pull a fast left hook and totally knock Nvidia for six with Vega (Would be a nice surprise though, admittedly) but they will continue to gain marketshare as they have done....slowly slowly catchee monkey is AMDs name of the game.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMHJhP7Y7oM

Not here it doesnt, and power consumption is the Nvidia users last straw they clutch at when being beat on performance.
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They do beat it in the odd game yes, but Xfire is mostly, you may experience problems in xxxx in Xfire, we recommend you disable it, you may encounter flickering textures in xxxx in Xfire, you may encounter stuttering in xxxx in Xfire etc... etc..., so the odd 1 game that works fine in Xfire, beating the 1070s, while umpteen hundreds more, either have to have Xfire disabled, or stutter and flicker like a ******* mofo, is them getting smashed to bloody bits off a single 1070 in my book.

Ive got 2x Furys, and ive had one disabled for over a year now, due to the amount of sheer problems with Xfire, as it just doesn't work, so even they are getting totally smashed to bloody bits of a single 1070, never mind the paultry 480!
 
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This is true, I will never have a multi-GPU solution for the foreseeable future, seems like not a lot has changed since i last had xfire which was back with 5850s.

A strong single GPU always seems to be the way to go.
 
This is true, I will never have a multi-GPU solution for the foreseeable future, seems like not a lot has changed since i last had xfire which was back with 5850s.

A strong single GPU always seems to be the way to go.

i had xfire 5850 direct CU's back in the day great cards but the issues with RAGE/BF3 and the off and on again xfire support for skyrim is what made me switch in the end :(
 
I am struggling to wait for Vega and hope it will be worth it. The only substantial upgrade I can see for myself is a 1080 or better. However, I feel the 1080 is far too expensive at £600-800 so don't really want to get it. I currently have an R9 390X.

I'd like to get a Gsync/Freesync monitor with my upgrade and Freesync is significantly cheaper so I hope AMD deliver and reasonably soon too.
 
No that's very wrong to assume. We can't really assume anything but if AMD want to remain relevant in the high end they should be looking at Titan P and above.

Yup, if there is a 1080ti variant (which isn't looking all that likely imo) then that's around the performance they need. Hopefully they have some room to get the clocks higher to get that performance, fiji seemed to be clocked to the wall to get the performance it did which left nothing in the tank for overclockers.
 
So am I right to presume (at best) Vega might have the power of a 1070?
No that's very wrong to assume. We can't really assume anything but if AMD want to remain relevant in the high end they should be looking at Titan P and above.

If they can manage DX11 performance that sits between the 1080 & XP I'd say that's a big result, more than I'm expecting if I'm honest. Between a 1070 & 1080 but closer to the 1080 is what I'm expecting in a best case scenario and if that's the case in DX11 I'll be okay with it, I'd prefer more but we need to be realistic, Expecting beyond XP performance isn't.
And saying "But it's faster than an XP in DX12 an Vulcan means nothing because the uptake will be slow and gradual, The majority of upcoming games are still going to be DX11 for another year or two at least, There may be plenty of games getting half-arsed DX12 patches but that's about it. Whatever cards we buy over the next few years are still going to spend more time on the older API's than on the new.
 
I am struggling to wait for Vega and hope it will be worth it. The only substantial upgrade I can see for myself is a 1080 or better. However, I feel the 1080 is far too expensive at £600-800 so don't really want to get it. I currently have an R9 390X.

I'd like to get a Gsync/Freesync monitor with my upgrade and Freesync is significantly cheaper so I hope AMD deliver and reasonably soon too.

Just buy a GTX 1070 which is excellent value for money as a stop gap to see what AMD bring next, I brought Evga partially for the resale value if ever I want to sell. I can't see AMD beating a GTX 1080 atm and see it being between a 1070 and 1080 with the flagship. I hope I'm massively wrong and they do out a Titan Pascal because I'll be buying it if so!
 
LOL @ AMD bringing performance inbetween the 1070 and 80, over a year later than them :D:D:D

Yep people have lost all sense. If Amd can't even match Nvidia's 1080 which is effectively Nvidia's mid chip then AMD may as well stop now. It's madness to think they won't bring a chip faster than the 1080 after 8 months to a year later. You would think AMD have came no where near to Nvidia's top end for years. Figi while slower than 980ti is still way faster than a gtx980.

Now people think AMD won't be able to surpass what effectively is this rounds gtx980 in the form of a gtx1080. Big Vega will give the gtx1080 a good kicking tbh. I doubt they would be using top of the range HBM 2 if it couldn't compete with a gtx1080.
 
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LOL

No way will it be Titan P performance.:p

I reckon 1070 was a good estimation.

Problem is it's not even been launched and it's already years behind. Volta is not far away. . .

Why do you think this way. It's coming way after Titan P.

Was Figi way slower than Titan X ( this was the biggest gap). Was the 290x way slower than the Titan/Titan Black. Was the 7970 way slower than the gtx680.

Have AMD all of a sudden lost the ability to make a high end card now. The Fury X is not that much slower than the gtx1070 lol. Shrink a Fury X and boost clocks and you have a gtx1070 competitor.

Vega might be the Volta competitor and Navi is supposed to come in 2018 just like Volta.
 
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How do we know it's 'years behind'?

Your guess of 1070 performance is as valid as another person's guess at TXP performance, as we really don't know at the moment.

I'd guess somewhere between 1070 and 1080, but in the same breath I'd admit I haven't really got a danny.
 
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