Not in real world though lol Nvidia could only grab 0,8 percent back after losing 10 percent
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Not in real world though lol Nvidia could only grab 0,8 percent back after losing 10 percent
That's not correct. I saw MY card, downclocking the moment it hit 22C and then again at 32C, and for every 10C losing 12mhz.
My overclock was 2215 when the system was "idle" after cold boot and for the first few moments when benching or gaming. But the moment it passed 22C it started going down to 2202 and then again to 2190 when passed the 32C.
And because the temps never went above 35C on full load, with the Predator 360, managed to pull one of the best overclocks and GPU scores on the benchmarks around here with without having a Strixx but a mere MSI Armor.
But the 1080 downlocks from 22C
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Depends which numbers you are looking at - JPR, etc. are polling shipments while steam surveys what people are actually using.
Still works out the same way - if people have moved from being in the market for buying a 970 to a 1060 that doesn't shift the overall market share.
That certainly isn't the behaviour of every Pascal card - possibly related to the firmware on that particular model - there seems to be some variation in temperature based behaviour - not sure if its AIB related - some people see 12MHz drops at around 51C and 69C then again at the temperature target while others see a drop at ~40C then nothing again until the GPU hits its power target.
Steam thinks i'm using a 7870XT.
I'm not sure you are still included in the stats - I think it samples say 1 million users randomly each month and compares to the previous sample.
(Which produces a broad cross section - its not 100% accurate but it will be indicatively accurate).
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These are saying the Vega DOOM demo under Vulkan, was slower than the 1080 under OpenGL.
http://techbuyersguru.com/ces-2017-amds-ryzen-and-vega-revealed?page=0
CES 2017: AMD's Ryzen and Vega Revealed!
Uh, oh, it looks like Vega is going to come in just below GTX 1080-level performance. And take note: we were running OpenGL in the table above, whereas AMD was running the more efficient Vulkan engine. That would be fine if the price was right, but given all the new design work that had to be done to create Vega, we doubt AMD's going to be interested in pricing it at the $500 pricepoint where it would likely sell like hotcakes.
http://techbuyersguru.com/ces-2017-amds-ryzen-and-vega-revealed?page=0
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I look at JPR because i said market share.
Steam survey is not showing market share that it is just a survey based on just a portion of PC users (only the ones who use steam, and fill out the survey).
With that back to my original post, it doesn't worth anything, only if you are curious that what cards the steam user/survey fillers use.
The original post what started this discussion said AMD is not happy with RX480....well we will not know that from the Steam chart because it doesn't show the sales.
And GPUs sat in a warehouse because the manufacturer overestimated demand is not a good thing. Installed user-base is more useful, sales are more useful.
Like it or not, steam survey is an accurate and useful gauge of sales. Shipped units is also useful but you need to understand the differences.
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The thing that caught my eye and I have seen repeated on several websites is that AMD only had enough resources to focus on Vulkan development with Vega and completely ignored OpenGL.
If that is actually true I have to say that I am not convinced it's a great move.
If that is actually true I have to say that I am not convinced it's a great move.
You got that the wrong way round. The Steam survey is a better indication of sales.
Its is a fact that the best evidence we have is the 1060 sold 4x as frequently as the RX480. Unless you can provide evidence that Steam is biased
The shipped units is an indication of how many sales AMD and Nvidia expect to make but the result are not even broken down by GPU so it impossible to derive anything particular useful except that the shipped volume is close to the Steam survey results. If nvidia shipping results form JPR are around 70-80% of market, then they are shipping around 4X as many GPUs as AMD and it is no wonder in that we see the 1060 outselling the RX480 4 to 1, all the data agrees with each other.
If AMD really were on par with Nvidia for the X480/1060 sales, then for such a maintain part it would mean that nvidia are enjoying absolutely humongous sales volumes in both higher and lower end GPUs in order to get to the 70-80% shipping volume and market share. While it is true that currently nvidia have a monopoly on the high end, that wont account for the difference very much due to the lower sales volume.
But I see no reason to invoke such distorted sales volumes across the line. Without contrary evidence might as well stick with he simplest explanation (Occam's razor), that nvidia's shipped units (e.g. market share) is nearly 4X AMD's and that is why popular GP pt are shown to have 4X the user base in Steam surveys. No need to complicate things.
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Am sure I not alone here but I have never taken part in steam survey. Been asked once couple years ago and said no not been asked again since.
I never do survey so just how meny people also say no? Guess Nvidia users say yes though
they don't mind nvidia checking in.
I never do survey so just how meny people also say no? Guess Nvidia users say yes though
they don't mind nvidia checking in.
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Ive never done it 
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How did they manage to benchmark? From what I heard the PC running Doom and Vega couldn't even go to the desktop it was locked down so they couldn't even install benchmarks software.
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Am sure I not alone here but I have never taken part in steam survey. Been asked once couple years ago and said no not been asked again since.
I never do survey so just how meny people also say no? Guess Nvidia users say yes though
I never do surveys, can't stand them so it's always a no from me.
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That's 3 AMD users already take out of the results so the steam survey can only be used has a guide without knowing how meny people opt out its a pointless debate.
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What a load of pish, basing benchmarks on early engineering samples which probably have barely any optimization in the drivers yet. Clock speeds are still up in the air as well.
There is good logic in you post, but marketshare is not 70-80% it is 70 vs 30%, and that is very-very far from 4X the sales. So this makes your whole post after the third sentence meaningful as you based all your arguing on this false estimation.
Am sure I not alone here but I have never taken part in steam survey. Been asked once couple years ago and said no not been asked again since.
I never do survey so just how meny people also say no? Guess Nvidia users say yes though
Anecdotes is not data.
It doesn't matter if only a small percent of people do complete the survey, as long as there is no boas. There is no evidence of bias, and as I said above, the steam results matched the shipping volumes for the most part.
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