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Sigh!!! Can't we discuss the pro's and con's like adults? I do wish people wouldn't stoop to such low levels and just discuss the topic at hand. I genuinely can't wait for the new cards from both AMD and NVidia to drop and I am not even interested in buying this round (not to say I won't though) :D

They do say that interest drops with age ;)
 
You got that the wrong way round. The Steam survey is a better indication of sales.

Its is a fact that the best evidence we have is the 1060 sold 4x as frequently as the RX480. Unless you can provide evidence that Steam is biased

It's not biased but it is useless, Once you do the survey you can't do it again so like me there will be millions of users who've done it in the past that have upgraded to newer cards that aren't accounted for, It's okay for seeing what's popular with new members who haven't done it before but that's it.
If you want a stat look up how many times the survey had been completed before May 2016. Apparently some people get asked to retake it but I never have.
 
Not looking for facts just individual thoughts.

OK here mine
Successful - Performance around 1080 at around 400 to 500
Failure - performance around 1070 costing 400 to 500
Pretty much how I see it and around the 1080 at £430 would be a great seller.

That'd be great I just hope the HBM isn't an excuse to price above it's weight. If it's a silly price I may grab a PS4 pro for now.
 
Not looking for facts just individual thoughts.

OK here mine
Successful - Performance around 1080 at around 400 to 500
Failure - performance around 1080 costing 400 to 500

Successful - Performance of the 1080 + 20% not just in Vulkan or DX12 but also DX11 & OpenGL for 500 to 550
Failure - performance around 1080 costing 475 to 525

I can't see a card with HBM2 being very cheap.
 
It would be good to know how much HBM2 costs per chip. A card with GDDR5/X needs 8 or 16 chips and the PCB must have lots of traces and the extra power circuits. Dose two HBM2 chips cost more than 8/16 GDDR5/X chips + all the extra PCB stuff? If so, How much more?
 
Chances are Nvidia would drop the price of the 1080 to compete. The question then is which card will people go for if they perform similar.

Depends on other factors people might have already saved on a Freesync monitor for example.
Some people just like me might prefer Amd etc
 
Successful - Performance of the 1080 + 20% not just in Vulkan or DX12 but also DX11 & OpenGL for 500 to 550
Failure - performance around 1080 costing 475 to 525

I can't see a card with HBM2 being very cheap.

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Sorry I don't agree
Think it's priced too high for me.
 
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It would be good to know how much HBM2 costs per chip. A card with GDDR5/X needs 8 or 16 chips and the PCB must have lots of traces and the extra power circuits. Dose two HBM2 chips cost more than 8/16 GDDR5/X chips + all the extra PCB stuff? If so, How much more?

On a PCB like a graphics card the difference in traces (and don't forget the interposer in comparisons) will probably have no real cost difference and GDDR5 even X is based on a fairly matured tech now so the chips will be relatively inexpensive due to the size of the market versus the very small market for HBM which will also likely be recouping R&D costs, etc.
 
It would be good to know how much HBM2 costs per chip. A card with GDDR5/X needs 8 or 16 chips and the PCB must have lots of traces and the extra power circuits. Dose two HBM2 chips cost more than 8/16 GDDR5/X chips + all the extra PCB stuff? If so, How much more?

I don't think HBM cost has much people think it does
 
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