AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

[Gregster]

I'll back you up mate, Ive seen your posts and seen you have been Pro for AMD doing well. And i'm in the same boat i want some good competition because it benefits us all. But at the moment if feels if AMD have been some what lagging in the enthusiast end meaning nVidia have been the only choice and prices IMO reflect that. Competition usually brings better performance and usually better prices. Why would anyone not want this.

Cheers

And yep, competition will bring better prices for sure. As long as AMD don't undersell or oversell and they have cards that are faster in their category, even if it is the same price as the 1080 and 1070 (and dare I say TXP?), AMD can do well. I am far from a marketeer but I can't be alone in being fed up of paying a lot of money for not so much gains?

 

[chroniclard]

Quietly hopeful but expecting some level of fail.

 

[KentMan]

Was thinking about this earlier while taking the kids swimming, AMD have been putting pretty much all of their hype behind RyZen, its the one thing they have been releasing a lot of info on.

They made a lot of bold claims, better than 40% IPC etc, it appears from early and recent leaks this could well be true, we know a lot more about RyZen than we know about Vega, maybe due to the fact RyZen release is also imminent.

Now looking at Vega, we have a video about making some noise with a pot shot at Nvidia and Volta and the industry asleep etc.

Thats it, other than a few demos of it running some games with no real info.

Either AMD are intentionally keeping the hype down as they dont want to spoil Zens moment in the sun, or they are trying to keep the hype down as Vega is not all its cracked up to be or lastly the hype is being kept down as they want to suprise people.

Personally i think its a mixture of keeping Zen in the limelight and that Vega is not as good as people are hoping its going to be. Also another thing to think on is if AMD score a home run with Zen and its received very well, it will lessen the blow if their new GPU Arch in Vega is not as good as people were hoping.

I can bet if Vega was all people were hoping it to be and more, we would be seeing demos of it crushing Nvidia, quite like AMD showed off RyZen competing with Intel. AMD dont mind showing us RyZen competing against Intel, infact they quite like showing it off, cant say the same about Vega though?

Anyhow, im setting myself for 2 Vega cards, 1st will be between 1070 and 1080 perf and priced accordingly, and 2nd will be between 1080 and TitanXP perf and priced accordingly. Nvidia will counter and claim top spot again, and people will still keep coming to forums to complain.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Some Vega napkin performance math. One can dream can't they

 

[benjii]

It never ceases to amaze me how many different ways people can analyse and draw conclusions from, next to no data.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

It never ceases to amaze me how many different ways people can analyse and draw conclusions from, next to no data.

That's pure speculation for you. The direct result of no proper information really.

 

[BRIGGBOY81]

Was thinking about this earlier while taking the kids swimming, AMD have been putting pretty much all of their hype behind RyZen, its the one thing they have been releasing a lot of info on.

They made a lot of bold claims, better than 40% IPC etc, it appears from early and recent leaks this could well be true, we know a lot more about RyZen than we know about Vega, maybe due to the fact RyZen release is also imminent.

Now looking at Vega, we have a video about making some noise with a pot shot at Nvidia and Volta and the industry asleep etc.

Thats it, other than a few demos of it running some games with no real info.

Either AMD are intentionally keeping the hype down as they dont want to spoil Zens moment in the sun, or they are trying to keep the hype down as Vega is not all its cracked up to be or lastly the hype is being kept down as they want to suprise people.

Personally i think its a mixture of keeping Zen in the limelight and that Vega is not as good as people are hoping its going to be. Also another thing to think on is if AMD score a home run with Zen and its received very well, it will lessen the blow if their new GPU Arch in Vega is not as good as people were hoping.

I can bet if Vega was all people were hoping it to be and more, we would be seeing demos of it crushing Nvidia, quite like AMD showed off RyZen competing with Intel. AMD dont mind showing us RyZen competing against Intel, infact they quite like showing it off, cant say the same about Vega though?

Anyhow, im setting myself for 2 Vega cards, 1st will be between 1070 and 1080 perf and priced accordingly, and 2nd will be between 1080 and TitanXP perf and priced accordingly. Nvidia will counter and claim top spot again, and people will still keep coming to forums to complain.

Couldn't agree more fella

 

[Legend]

Some Vega napkin performance math. One can dream can't they

LOL, that's pretty funny I've got to say. "Worst case scenario" it resoundingly beats the Titan XP across the board, WORST CASE! Brilliant. Yes everyone, you can put your minds at rest, VEGA will probably end up being twice Titan XP performance for half the price. Nvidia will then skip the pathetic 1080Ti and rush out Volta because this is going to terrify them. Sounds totally legit.

 

[D.P.]

Was thinking about this earlier while taking the kids swimming, AMD have been putting pretty much all of their hype behind RyZen, its the one thing they have been releasing a lot of info on.

They made a lot of bold claims, better than 40% IPC etc, it appears from early and recent leaks this could well be true, we know a lot more about RyZen than we know about Vega, maybe due to the fact RyZen release is also imminent.

Now looking at Vega, we have a video about making some noise with a pot shot at Nvidia and Volta and the industry asleep etc.

Thats it, other than a few demos of it running some games with no real info.

Either AMD are intentionally keeping the hype down as they dont want to spoil Zens moment in the sun, or they are trying to keep the hype down as Vega is not all its cracked up to be or lastly the hype is being kept down as they want to suprise people.

Personally i think its a mixture of keeping Zen in the limelight and that Vega is not as good as people are hoping its going to be. Also another thing to think on is if AMD score a home run with Zen and its received very well, it will lessen the blow if their new GPU Arch in Vega is not as good as people were hoping.

I can bet if Vega was all people were hoping it to be and more, we would be seeing demos of it crushing Nvidia, quite like AMD showed off RyZen competing with Intel. AMD dont mind showing us RyZen competing against Intel, infact they quite like showing it off, cant say the same about Vega though?

Anyhow, im setting myself for 2 Vega cards, 1st will be between 1070 and 1080 perf and priced accordingly, and 2nd will be between 1080 and TitanXP perf and priced accordingly. Nvidia will counter and claim top spot again, and people will still keep coming to forums to complain.

Two things:

1) Zen is far more important than Vega. Zen fails AMD fails. Vega is irrelevant in comparison, if Vega is great and Zen is a failure then that it's for AMD.
2) Zen is ready for release,Vega is still 5-6 months away.

 

[queamin]

So that is what flopper looks like jk.

 

[FoxEye]

i dont understand why people expect from AMD not only to beat Nvidia but also to be cheaper, and if they dont then they failed...

Let me make it very simple.

If your best effort is to release the same product for the same price as your competitor, a whole year later, then really what are you bringing to the table? A different badge, and that's it...

You then don't serve any function at all. You don't bring prices down through competition. You don't offer something that no-one else is offering. You don't disrupt the market.

If all AMD can do is to (roughly) match nVidia, and are always releasing 12 months later... then, in the cold, hard light of day, what is their purpose?

 

[nashathedog]

Let me make it very simple.

If your best effort is to release the same product for the same price as your competitor, a whole year later, then really what are you bringing to the table? A different badge, and that's it...

You then don't serve any function at all. You don't bring prices down through competition. You don't offer something that no-one else is offering. You don't disrupt the market.

If all AMD can do is to (roughly) match nVidia, and are always releasing 12 months later... then, in the cold, hard light of day, what is their purpose?

That's the sad part

 

[Legend]

That's the sad part

No need to be sad, watch the video above. VEGA now guaranteed to have twice Titan XP performance for half the price! All aboard the hype train, next stop Performanceville, TOOOOOT-TOOOOOOT!!

 

[benjii]

No need to be sad, watch the video above. VEGA now guaranteed to have twice Titan XP performance for half the price! All aboard the hype train, next stop Performanceville, TOOOOOT-TOOOOOOT!!

I'm still hyped from the RX480 SMASHING the 1080. Oh, wait a minute...

We all want VEGA to do well, but there are just some plain silly speculations going on, again.

 

[akarypid]

Two things:

1) Zen is far more important than Vega. Zen fails AMD fails. Vega is irrelevant in comparison, if Vega is great and Zen is a failure then that it's for AMD.
2) Zen is ready for release,Vega is still 5-6 months away.

This is SO true. If the indications we have for Zen are real, then it can give huge breathing room to AMD. It will bring in the funds needed to push R&D in all areas.

I mentioned a couple of times before in this thread: I think Vega's priorities are APUs and professional graphics. The APUs will come in the second half of the year to build upon Zen's success and the memory infrastructure will also be used to make great compute/professional cards. AMD is focusing on making money.

Hopefully with Navi we will see focus back on high-end gaming. If they have the funds they can cut down Navi to create two versions (as Nvidia does) where one is for gaming and the other for professional sector.

 

[TheRealDeal]

No need to be sad, watch the video above. VEGA now guaranteed to have twice Titan XP performance for half the price! All aboard the hype train, next stop Performanceville, TOOOOOT-TOOOOOOT!!

That's not what he said in the video at all. He said the bare minimum performance is likely to be around Titan XP performance. He's a bit out in how doubling up works but i don't think he's to far off in thinking Vega is Titan XP performance. Vega is definitely coming with more theoretical power as that bit has been made public. If it can use the majority of it then there is no reason it can't be as fast as Titan XP. The gaming gpu might even be faster than the 12.5 tflops of the professional version as is usually the case. To much doom and gloom around atm. On paper this card looks fast. One things for sure it won't be slow and Nvidia will have some competition at the high end for the first time in a year.

 

[akarypid]

Let me make it very simple.

If your best effort is to release the same product for the same price as your competitor, a whole year later, then really what are you bringing to the table? A different badge, and that's it...

You then don't serve any function at all. You don't bring prices down through competition. You don't offer something that no-one else is offering. You don't disrupt the market.

If all AMD can do is to (roughly) match nVidia, and are always releasing 12 months later... then, in the cold, hard light of day, what is their purpose?

Honestly, it may be simply about making money (as in, they're now comfortable with GloFo process and yields, enough to make 500mm^2 chips and not lose money). Had they built a bigger Polaris it would have sold so badly that they'd probably have to sell at a loss.

AMD wants Vega for professional compute and APUs as well. I think it's no coincidence they decided to change up their GCN architecture alongside the arrival of Zen. If the market is flooded with PCs and laptops using Vega-based APUs they'll get a HUGE graphics market share from that alone (remember, Intel are #1 in graphics market share if you count integrated graphics).

 

[benjii]

That's a reasonable point. They're also going to get increased coverage with VEGA on Intel chips as a result of that surprising deal.

 

[Toss3]

That's pure speculation for you. The direct result of no proper information really.

Yet people seem to be lapping it up while those "youtubers" are make money off of people's ignorance.

 

[Steampunk]

Yet people seem to be lapping it up while those "youtubers" are make money off of people's ignorance.

When there's no information out there, wild speculation and click-bait rushes in to fill the vacuum. The cynic in me has no doubt that it's a deliberate and well scheduled part of the life-cycle of the story.

This time of year (as with previous products), we have a bit of technical info released for CES, a couple of vague demos, and no performance, pricing or availability info. So the websites, youtubers and the usual forum suspects fill their time with rampant speculation, trying to decode every word as if it's a secret conspiracy that only they have understood, all for page-views. The reality is there simply isn't enough info out there for anyone to make these massive assumptions and proclamations that we've been seeing. But it does make good click-bait, and it helps enforce the various tribal agendas from individuals who support one team over the other.