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TNA said:
You guys are doing it all wrong. Not saying the prices have not gone up, but they have not gone up as much as you think they have.

Graphics cards are purchased in dollars. If you want to see if graphics cards have gone up and down in price, you need to compare them in dollars not pounds. Say a decade ago had the 1080ti been released, it would have been between £400-450. Why you may ask? Back then our currency was strong, we would buy around two dollars to a pound. The pound's value has steadily declined since then and hit the gutter with brexit. Also back then we paid 17.5 % VAT.

Adjusting just for inflation is not enough ;)
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None of this ads up to anything like 100%, it was $1.50 in 2012, thats 25% above where it is today, roundly, in reality not even that... inflation at 2% PA = 10%, again for the sake of argument rounded up... a total of 35%, that would make a £200 GPU of 2012 £270 today, not £400.

Stop blaming everything on Brexit.

PS: before Brexit the £ to $ was $1.40, today its at $1.26, its not a huge difference, or at least not anything like as bad as remoaners behave like it is
 
humbug said:
None of this ads up to anything like 100%, it was $1.50 in 2012, thats 25% above where it is today, roundly, in reality not even that... inflation at 2% PA = 10%, again for the sake of argument rounded up... a total of 35%, that would make a £200 GPU of 2012 £270 today, not £400.

Stop blaming everything on Brexit.

PS: before Brexit the £ to $ was $1.40, today its at $1.26, its not a huge difference, or at least not anything like as bad as remoaners behave like it is
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What are you on about. Go read my post again when you calm down and in a less emotional state :p;)
 
My experiences with DX12 and Vulkan have left me less than impressed. But I have been using a 3570k and a 970. So not sure if that's CPU issues or Nvidia issues. (or even vram issues - hitching... 3.5Gb issues maybe)

Another reason to wait for AMD.
 
humbug said:
None of this ads up to anything like 100%, it was $1.50 in 2012, thats 25% above where it is today, roundly, in reality not even that... inflation at 2% PA = 10%, again for the sake of argument rounded up... a total of 35%, that would make a £200 GPU of 2012 £270 today, not £400.

Stop blaming everything on Brexit.

PS: before Brexit the £ to $ was $1.40, today its at $1.26, its not a huge difference, or at least not anything like as bad as remoaners behave like it is
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I'm importing from the US and it is bad. I pay more for the merchandise, pay more on duty and VAT, and pay more for shipping. It adds up.
There are some parts where i needed to raise the price about 35% since the £ nosedived
 
The dollar exchange rate is going up slightly at the moment, its 1.26 up from 1.2 but if we are talking a few years ago it was as high as 1.7 so the pound is like a quarter less then it was. Where we are now is a definte low, I just hope it is the bottom and going forward price drops are going to be helped vs dollar
The 8800GTX was king for so long, that was a real good buy at its time.
OK so only particular games (basically just BF1) currently suffer FPS drops due to the CCX configuration. [3% ] L3 latency is higher and L3 cache tests certainly take a hit but that doesn't affect other games apparently.
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This is with the ryzen cache management, if they have got that right where it doesnt matter especially I hope that is comparable to this HBCC. If they pull that off it could be a real coup for them
 
opethdisciple said:
My experiences with DX12 and Vulkan have left me less than impressed. But I have been using a 3570k and a 970. So not sure if that's CPU issues or Nvidia issues. (or even vram issues - hitching... 3.5Gb issues maybe)

Another reason to wait for AMD.
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Doom Vulkan on a 4690K and GTX 970 is really rather nice, i thought, DX12 is a bit 'meh' Vulkan is what DX12 promised to be.
 
humbug said:
I said 'Mid Tier' cards, 4 or 5 years ago the 7970 / GTX 680 was the top tier card, i bought the mid Tier Gigabyte WF X3 HD 7870, i paid £220 for it and it was not one of the cheaper ones..... it was actually one of the more expensive ones.

Today the 1070 is the 7870 equivalent and its £400, i get inflation and brexit and a little ontop just because..... but to double in price IMO is out of line with all that.

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That is why I didn't quote yours though Humbug. I took N19h7m4r3 as he was discussing high end.

Not saying anyone was wrong either. Just that the true data was shown there so we can see relative where we have been better off and what relative we are paying to then.

I don't think you can though compare the AMD card to the current 1070 in that they are not so easy to justify the same level/equivalent. Although if you do that and say that the 7870 equivalent at the time was 670 which was prices at £300 at release.

So you compare the 670 to the 1070 as base then as that is showing the difference in inflation, brexit, global markets otherwise etc. The fact is that the 7870 was already £80 less than the 670 was at the time. With inflation that rises to £336 so we are now talking about £64 between the 670 & 1070. Then we have to consider the UK price gouge as people call it. That appears to be about 3% worse for the 1070 to the 670 so if you was in the US then actually the price relative would be better also (although that is just for reference and of course doesn't change our true value etc this side of the pond).

So yeah we have seen prices increase but not by 100% and it is actually closer to a 20% increase relative.
 
Mtom said:
I'm importing from the US and it is bad. I pay more for the merchandise, pay more on duty and VAT, and pay more for shipping. It adds up.
There are some parts where i needed to raise the price about 35% since the £ nosedived
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Yes, i'm not denying or disputing that but you're not doubling your prices are you?

My point is there is no reason why a card in the same tier should cost 100% more than in 2012. :)
 
opethdisciple said:
My experiences with DX12 and Vulkan have left me less than impressed. But I have been using a 3570k and a 970. So not sure if that's CPU issues or Nvidia issues. (or even vram issues - hitching... 3.5Gb issues maybe)

Another reason to wait for AMD.
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if you have 1080p @60hz monitor, i dont see why you would wait for vega, the 970 should be just fine for that resolution/refresh rate, throwing more money on high end wont give you any better experience.
if the games you run struggle with memory, GTX1060 with 6GB, or RX480 with 8GB, should be just fine for 1080p @60.
so if you are waiting for Vega, consider getting a freesync monitor with higher refresh rate or higher resolution, so that you actualy benefit from the GPU upgrade.
 
TNA said:
You guys are doing it all wrong. Not saying the prices have not gone up, but they have not gone up as much as you think they have.

Graphics cards are purchased in dollars. If you want to see if graphics cards have gone up and down in price, you need to compare them in dollars not pounds. Say a decade ago had the 1080ti been released, it would have been between £400-450. Why you may ask? Back then our currency was strong, we would buy around two dollars to a pound. The pound's value has steadily declined since then and hit the gutter with brexit. Also back then we paid 17.5 % VAT.

Adjusting just for inflation is not enough ;)
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What you state is correct to a point but my calculation as shown and compared is the same thing relative. They are linked and you can go either way to judge. Just as an example then;

The 1080 in 2012 reducing the cost by removing inflation would have been £552. Now comparing that price to the 680 in 2012 which sold at £420 would mean that the price of the equivlant card in the UK at the time would be 30%. What this as you say doesn't account for is the different exchange rate.

So lets calculate that, The exchange rate was 1.45 when the 1080 was sold and 1.59 when the 680 was sold. Now at £502, which now puts the 1080 at around a 19.5% increase in cost for the customer comapred to the 680.
 
Admiral Huddy said:
Yes can you please stay on topic.. If you want to discuss the pricing of older generation etc, then please start a new thread.
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This started from the fact that people are suggesting that the Vega cards are going to be expensive or cheap? Isn't price relative to the card and where we expect it fall or sit relative. OK it went further away from that but the miss-information here doesn't help either and clarification needs to be had at some point.

With that and to be closer to on topic (I hoep) I still believe the Vega cards will come in less by around 10-15% of what the Nvidia equivalent is selling for. So I am expecting the 1080 competitor from the Vega lineup to drop in around the £450-£475 mark myself and be about 5% faster. That to me would make sense.
 
opethdisciple said:
Hmm for me it didn't feel right. Felt slower than using Open GL in Doom.
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Kepler and Maxwell especially seemed to give rather varied results - I saw a moderate decrease on my 780 while with more recent drivers around 5% increase on the 970 using Vulkan over Open GL. Off the top of my head I can't remember what results are with my 1070.
 
Curlyriff said:
What you state is correct to a point but my calculation as shown and compared is the same thing relative. They are linked and you can go either way to judge. Just as an example then;

The 1080 in 2012 reducing the cost by removing inflation would have been £552. Now comparing that price to the 680 in 2012 which sold at £420 would mean that the price of the equivlant card in the UK at the time would be 30%. What this as you say doesn't account for is the different exchange rate.

So lets calculate that, The exchange rate was 1.45 when the 1080 was sold and 1.59 when the 680 was sold. Now at £502, which now puts the 1080 at around a 19.5% increase in cost for the customer comapred to the 680.
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Exactly. That is why in my post I said "Not saying the prices have not gone up, but they have not gone up as much as you think they have." which perfectly fits with the conclusion you came with.
 
opethdisciple said:
My experiences with DX12 and Vulkan have left me less than impressed. But I have been using a 3570k and a 970. So not sure if that's CPU issues or Nvidia issues. (or even vram issues - hitching... 3.5Gb issues maybe)

Another reason to wait for AMD.
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Sadly all DX12 games out now are mostly DX11 with DX12 tacked on. In the case of Gears of War Ultimate they used the same Unreal 3 engine, which used the 2006 Source code, and just modified DX12 onto it.

The only "decent" Vulkan experience so far is DOOM, although then Kepler and Maxwell cards still don't gain much from it; and in DX12 they often regress in performance.

NVIDIA's older generation just doesn't do all that well with the new APIs sadly.
 
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