AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

[opethdisciple]

I dont know what you mean by 'going forward'.

AMD is already reaping the benefits of AMD-based optimization for multiplatform AAA games. Slowly, the switch from Nvidia to AMD bias has occurred during this generation to the point where I'd say at least 70% of new multiplatform AAA releases nowadays see better performance on AMD than on Nvidia in a given 'range of GPU'. This will absolutely continue.

And it's why I think people who want to see more DX12 titles being benchmarked to help AMD look better are being silly. They dont need that. DX12/Vulkan is not actually AMD's big advantage at the moment. It's the inherent linking of architecture with the consoles. And yes, it is undeniably making a big impact on performance.

As for Zen, we'll have to see what the next generation brings, cuz Zen isn't in the PS4 Pro or Scorpio. No guarantee AMD wins the rights to any new consoles in the next 2-3 years.

This isn't true tho. a lot and I mean a lot of the AAA titles from major publishers are Gameworks.

What I will say tho a that AMD are better when it comes to DX12 and Vulkan.

 

[Seanspeed]

This isn't true tho. a lot and I mean a lot of the AAA titles from major publishers are Gameworks.

It is true, though.

I feel like you're still stuck back in 2014/2015. Things have moved on. Most games do not have Gameworks features. And even if they do, it doesn't mean they are worth using or that the game inherently suits Nvidia better.

 

[opethdisciple]

It is true, though.

It's not tho is it.

Fallout 4, Watchdogs 2, Wildlands, Division.... The list goes on.

I'm sure there are a lot more which are recent too, but then you can go back as far as the Witcher 3 etc etc ect....

Most of the AAA titles are Gameworks.

For Honour is another.

 

[Seanspeed]

It's not tho is it.

Fallout 4, Watchdogs 2, Woodlands, Division.... The list goes on.

It is true, yes.

Watchdogs 2 runs better on AMD cards. The Division runs a very slight AMD advantage.

You can cherry pick games all you like. AMD cards have increasingly seen advantages in games as time has gone this generation and there's no reason to think that wont continue.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

You would think with AMD being in the consoles, when all the games are ported across to the PC, their cards would run them much better than Nvidias, but they don't, as Nvidia own the PC gaming market, the games are ported across from AMD to Nvidia, and that won't change.

 

[TheRealDeal]

It's not tho is it.

Fallout 4, Watchdogs 2, Wildlands, Division.... The list goes on.

I'm sure there are a lot more which are recent too, but then you can go back as far as the Witcher 3 etc etc ect....

Most of the AAA titles are Gameworks.

Pretty much all of those titles offer up the same experience on a Rx480 and gtx1060. Look back a good few years at gameworks titles with a 970 and 290 and the nvidia card would have been way ahead. The 290/390 now seems to lead the gtx970 in the majority. Gameworks is definitely less successful these days.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

so you're saying that I am incorrect ?

I'm saying you are, and you are not. People that only care about the bleeding egde would have gone for the Titan X the day it was announced, the runners up the Ti. Others that have Maxwell Titans, or 980Ti's are probably waiting to see what happens as well.

Most consumers don't do that, and are either happy with what they have, or have no issues waiting a bit longer.

In the end it's only our opinions, with neither having numbers to back it up directly from sales when it comes to market share for these cards the last month.

 

[TheRealDeal]

I'm saying you are, and you are not. People that only care about the bleeding egde would have gone for the Titan X the day it was announced, the runners up the Ti. Others that have Maxwell Titans, or 980Ti's are probably waiting to see what happens as well.

Most consumers don't do that, and are either happy with what they have, or have no issues waiting a bit longer.

In the end it's only our opinions, with neither having numbers to back it up directly from sales when it comes to market share for these cards the last month.

I think what we can all agree on is AMD seem to be in a much better position to attack with Ryzen and hopefully Vega will back that up. A few years back they were looking down and out with Gameworks doing a great job for Nvidia.

 

[eiamhere69]

The fact that AMD are able to fight on two different fronts in the CPU and GPU markets, against 2 enormous corporations such as Nvidia and Intel and still remain on their heels, to me is incredible.

I see way to much negativity aimed their way when in fact people should be a little more grateful that they are able to provide competition in markets that their competitors almost have a monopoly in.

I have a great amount of respect for what they have accomplished , I'm sure even Intel and Nvidia will too, regardless if they fail to acknowledge it.

I'm not a blind fanboy / sheep, my last few cards have been Nvidia. But to be in so much debt, lose a good chunk of your work force, and still deliver a product equal (arguably better) than a competitor who has infinite money (essentially due to the fact they take billions each year with practically no competition )

When you then look at the smaller workforce, with practically no funding and realise they must then divide this between GPU AND CPU divisions. Then compete against another monolith.

To still be in business is phenomenal, to deliver what they did is much more. The engineers must be extraordinary.

Anyways, I hope Vega is decent

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Gameworks has started dying out as well which could be down to developers not wanting to use it as much because in Console games it would most likely hinder the performance.

Hmm, then we have Epic that build Unreal from the ground up to take advantage of NVIDIA hardware and tech.
https://developer.nvidia.com/unrealengine

"Epic developed Unreal Engine 4 on NVIDIA hardware, and it looks and runs best on GeForce."

Tim Sweeney, founder, CEO and technical director of Epic Games.

Having used both the 980Ti and Fury X in multiple UE4 titles, I can certainly say the NV card has a substantial performance lead in many of them.

 

[opethdisciple]

Pretty much all of those titles offer up the same experience on a Rx480 and gtx1060. Look back a good few years at gameworks titles with a 970 and 290 and the nvidia card would have been way ahead. The 290/390 now seems to lead the gtx970 in the majority. Gameworks is definitely less successful these days.

Developers ideally need to move away from Gameworks and use an open source library. Probably get a lot better performance too.

Then again Gameworks is collaborative in a way as when a Dev uses code or modifies/builds something they are meant to add it too the Gameworks library allowing fellow Dev's to reuse it.

 

[TheRealDeal]

Hmm, then we have Epic that build Unreal from the ground up to take advantage of NVIDIA hardware and tech.
https://developer.nvidia.com/unrealengine


Having used both the 980Ti and Fury X in multiple UE4 titles, I can certainly say the NV card has a substantial performance lead in many of them.

Yea Unreal Engine has run better on Nvidia for a while now with them using Nvidia in all there demo's.

 

[eiamhere69]

I just hope Vega and Zen don't have any notible weakness (a major imbalance ) that Nvidia (Gameworks) or Intel (everything) can use to exploit and hold them back. They need a run for a couple years to balance the playing field.

It will be better for everyone the world over to have the 3 of them competing to the top, rather than trying to push each other to the bottom .

This has held everyone back several years. We should already be at multi-core use software and be in infancy of multi-chip.

Maybe if AMD had worked better with the likes of .......I can't be bothered to finish maybe later

 

[opethdisciple]

Yea Unreal Engine has run better on Nvidia for a while now with them using Nvidia in all there demo's.

That would just be an optimisation issue.

 

[opethdisciple]

I just hope Vega and Zen don't have any notible weakness (a major imbalance ) that Nvidia (Gameworks) or Intel (everything) can use to exploit and hold them back. They need a run for a couple years to balance the playing field.

It will be better for everyone the world over to have the 3 of them competing to the top, rather than trying to push each other to the bottom .

Well I've just gone and bought a Ryzen system. If nothing else it should push Intel to make 6/8 core CPUs mainstream.

 

[Griffildur]

Indeed. But maybe Griffildur would rather see them bankrupt so he does not have to put up with such nonesense from AMD?



Just a different perspective offered

having them out is not helping anyone. What I am hoping to see is smarter moves instead of this stupid secrecy which only hurts AMD. I am just surprised that they still haven't learnt anything and keep making the same mistakes over and over. They could be a lot more successful if they didn't screw up every time

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Yea Unreal Engine has run better on Nvidia for a while now with them using Nvidia in all there demo's.

Aye it's a real shame really. They recently announced they're adding Vulkan support, so I wonder how that'll turn out.

That would just be an optimisation issue.

Maybe for Epic themselves, but many Indies are now using that engine, and they don't have the resources to sort that out.
So far the Fury X barely ran at GTX 1060 performance in many of the UE4 games I've played; that and had lots more crashes.
Where as the 980Ti I'm currently using it pulling up to 50% more, Paragon and Conan Exiles being prime examples.

 

[TheRealDeal]

having them out is not helping anyone. What I am hoping to see is smarter moves instead of this stupid secrecy which only hurts AMD. I am just surprised that they still haven't learnt anything and keep making the same mistakes over and over. They could be a lot more successful if they didn't screw up every time

Nvidia do the exact same and are also very secret until just before launch. This is standard practise and has been for many years.

 

[Griffildur]

Lol

Well let's be honest, I don't think as many people care about as you think. Nvidia is also secretive and people do not call them out on it do they. End of the day I just judge a product on price for performance, that matters a hell of a lot more than whether AMD leak info out or not. Am I incorrect?

100% correct, but AMD release cards a lot less frequent than NVidia. Granted, they are smaller and have less budget, but this also means that people have to wait a lot to get better cards and let's face it not everyone is going to wait forever. They could provide some information, get people hyped with some real info every now and then, at least people know what to expect. If they wait and get disapointed again and again, less and less people are going to buy their cards.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

having them out is not helping anyone. What I am hoping to see is smarter moves instead of this stupid secrecy which only hurts AMD. I am just surprised that they still haven't learnt anything and keep making the same mistakes over and over. They could be a lot more successful if they didn't screw up every time

In fairness, NVIDIA is just as secretive. What build up was there for the Titan X? Nothing at all, they announced it at a tiny little event.
The Ti had no information out at all bar a countdown page a week before it's reveal as well.

The silence is actually better overall for AMD. Let's not forget the massive hype train and lies being spouted about Polaris clocking in at 1500Mhz and matching the GTX 1070 or Fury on launch day.