AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

[TNA]

He's deliberately winding people up. Don't bite.

Not sure. I think he believes what he is saying tbh. It could be both though

 

[AlamoX]

soon there wont be any need for Nvidia or AMD graphics to play at 4k/120fps, all you would need is an AMD APU to enjoy the latest game at the highest resolution/fps, and with 5G planned for 2019, the shift might be much sooner that we expect.
in fact sony and microsoft arn't even sure that there will be a new generation of consoles after scorpio/ps4pro, they are both focused on streaming services, and if this model happens to attract enough subscribers, then bye bye consoles, which will automatically kill off PC gaming and the glorious PC master race, all you would need is a device powered by something like an APU ( a low end APU ), so enjoy these last red/green arguments, because soon that would be like " you remember when ppl used to argue about graphics cards ? hahaha "

 

[opethdisciple]

I need to be patient.....

Also the 1000 series is now 10 months old.

 

[D.P.]

lol, that doesn't actually have anything to do with what i said, I think i have explained this before but i'll try again, you can't use Polaris to predict Vega, in the same way you couldn't have used VLM4 to predict GCN, Fermi to predict Maxwell....

that would be great and all if it wasn;t complete rubbish.

Vega is an evolution of Polaris, with 5th generation architecture: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_Core_Next#GCN_5th_Generation_.28Vega.29

And even if it was a completely new architecture it is still possible to project performance form current technology and set upper bounds.

I think you were one of the ones who predicted AMD could not match the original Titan because it would be far too big and consume far to much power, you based that on the 7970, you were completely and utterly wrong, in fact AMD beat the original Titan with a much smaller chip on the same process. Why? because the 290X was not the 7970.

No me, you must be confused with someone else. I ma the poster who correctly predicted many relevant details of Polaris and pascal, Maxwell and Fiji. You know, stuff like AMD's 2.5x performance per watt increase of Polaris is marketing term and would never be seen in reality. Or that Nvidia absolutely would be releasing Pascal GPUs on a 16nm TSMC process in Q2 using GDRR5X memory and be ahead of AMD.

Vega is not Polaris, you'd be a fool to go down this road of using old tech to predict new tech, its not a clever thing to do.

You would be a fool to ignore history, physics, economics and business practices.

 

[D.P.]

soon there wont be any need for Nvidia or AMD graphics to play at 4k/120fps, all you would need is an AMD APU to enjoy the latest game at the highest resolution/fps, and with 5G planned for 2019, the shift might much sooner that we expect.
in fact sony and microsoft arn't even sure that there will be a new generation of consoles after scorpio/ps4pro, they are both focused on streaming services, and if this model happens to attract enough subscribers, then bye bye consoles, which will automatically kill off PC gaming and the glorious C master race, all you would need is a device powered by something like an APU ( a low end APU ), so enjoy these last red/green arguments, because soon that would be like " you remember when ppl used to argue about graphics cards ? hahaha "

that is the ultimate future. it still baffles me why in the 21st century so many people have computers at home, laptops they take to work/school and home. Computing is really a utility. People generally don't have their own power station in my back yard, I don't have my own water well and purification system, so why do people want their own portable data center? All you actually want is an interface, and someone else can worry about computer hardware.

 

[Griffildur]

that is the ultimate future. it still baffles me why in the 21st century so many people have computers at home, laptops they take to work/school and home. Computing is really a utility. People generally don't have their own power station in my back yard, I don't have my own water well and purification system, so why do people want their own portable data center? All you actually want is an interface, and someone else can worry about computer hardware.

I prefer my own computer, your connection can go down, cloud can be unavailable, my computer is always there and doesn't need an internet connection to stream anything. I prefer this kind of reliability.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Got to disagree there. AMD are far from finished in PC gaming.

I think they are now sadly, as whats the point in them bringing out a gaming card, with the performance we've already had for nigh on a year, and surpassed.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I think they are now sadly, as whats the point in them bringing out a gaming card, with the performance we've already had for nigh on a year, and surpassed.

So I assume you won't be posting in this thread anymore since there is nothing new to see performance-wise ??

 

[AlamoX]

I prefer my own computer, your connection can go down, cloud can be unavailable, my computer is always there and doesn't need an internet connection to stream anything. I prefer this kind of reliability.

that's why i mentioned 5G, that thing is supposed to have latency as low as 1ms, and 100GB connection when broken down per device in a crowded zone it's estimated at a 100MB, which is still huge, this connection will make it a reality, beside devices like selfdriving cars would be heavily depandent on the connection, gaming is really trivial compared to it, so no, you 5G connection wont drop out everyone and then.
but a lot of ppl don't see this, although it's really inevitable, we wont have the joy of spending couple thousand $ on our PC every year

 

[Boomstick777]

I think they are now sadly, as whats the point in them bringing out a gaming card, with the performance we've already had for nigh on a year, and surpassed.

A better price point? An alternative to a card from the green milking machine?

Have you ever seen loadsmoney post a positive AMD comment? Nope, me neither...

 

[TNA]

I think they are now sadly, as whats the point in them bringing out a gaming card, with the performance we've already had for nigh on a year, and surpassed.

Not sure if serious

So I assume you won't be posting in this thread anymore since there is nothing new to see performance-wise ??

A better price point? An alternative to a card from the green milking machine?

Have you ever seen loadsmoney post a positive AMD comment? Nope, me neither...

+1

Hey, even if Vega comes out to be match my 1080 performance, as long as it is priced well I would buy one just to have something new to play and also the ability to go Freesync/Freesync 2 in the future. And I already have a 1080...

My question is, where is Loadsamoney's 1080Ti? As far as I know they are in stock everywhere now no? Is he waiting for Vega maybe?

 

[D.P.]

I prefer my own computer, your connection can go down, cloud can be unavailable, my computer is always there and doesn't need an internet connection to stream anything. I prefer this kind of reliability.

You might have a power cut, your software might require an internet connection.

I have an old 2011 27" Imac I sue to work on. Never bothered to upgrade because the 27" IPS screen is great and I rarely bother ding anything local./ All my work is hosted on our git repository, I use Google documents for most thins, backup most stuff from google drive, and when i'm working I need the horse power and the data housed at our AWS instances or one of our in-house mini-clusters. I've been on holiday and got some good work done just form my ipad (although soemthign with a proper bash terminal would be nicer).

 

[JediFragger]

Got to disagree there. AMD are far from finished in PC gaming (in the mid-range).

 

[TNA]

Haha. So you predict Vega will be mid-range then is it?

 

[D.P.]

A better price point? An alternative to a card from the green milking machine?

Have you ever seen loadsmoney post a positive AMD comment? Nope, me neither...

RX580 is similar price and performance to the 1060, hardly getting shafted by Nvidia. The last high end AMD card ended up costing more than the 980ti despite being slower. I wouldn't hold your breath on any great advances in value for money.

If you really want prices to come down you need to prey for some kind of miracle in the June election to overthrow any hard Brexit, the pound will then jump up. too many people blaming Nvidia rather than Forex issues for Nvidia pricing. As has been shown time and time again, inflation adjusted prices or Nvidia high end cards have been relatively static in near on 2 decades.

 

[shankly1985]

that's why i mentioned 5G, that thing is supposed to have latency as low as 1ms, and 100GB connection when broken down per device in a crowded zone it's estimated at a 100MB, which is still huge, this connection will make it a reality, beside devices like selfdriving cars would be heavily depandent on the connection, gaming is really trivial compared to it, so no, you 5G connection wont drop out everyone and then.
but a lot of ppl don't see this, although it's really inevitable, we wont have the joy of spending couple thousand $ on our PC every year

Believe it when I see it..

1ms just think about that for a second.. Mobile Internet has to travel from you to a network dish then to the data center and then out to the Internet.
I have tried 4G for gaming and seen over 800ms ping
5G needs to be something special.

 

[humbug]

that would be great and all if it wasn;t complete rubbish.

Vega is an evolution of Polaris, with 5th generation architecture: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_Core_Next#GCN_5th_Generation_.28Vega.29

No where in that does it say "Vega is an evolution of Polaris", you didn't even read your own link, what it does say is this..

AMD began releasing details of their next generation of GCN Architecture in January 2017.[33][36][37] The new design is built around 'Next-Generation Compute Unit' and is expected to increase instructions per clock, higher clock speeds, support for HBM2, a larger memory address space, and the High Bandwidth Cache Controller. Additionally, the new chips are expected to include improvements in the Rasterisation and Render output units. The stream processors are heavily modified from the previous generations to support packed math Rapid Pack Math technology for 8-bit, 16-bit, and 32-bit numbers. With this there is a significant performance advantage when lower precision is acceptable (for example: processing two half-precision numbers at the same rate as a single single precision number).

Polaris indeed... lol. every aspect of it is different.

 

[opethdisciple]

Some AMD marketing I was reading claimed the 580 was a 1440p card.

So according to these benchmarks the 580 does indeed seem OK at 1400p. However a game like Dishonoured 2 performance seems to take a big hit. Why? Is this because it's an Nvidia title?

So I am pulling out the benchmarks where the 580 tanks dramatically compared to it's other results in games.

WatchDogs 2. Nvidia gimping?

 

[D.P.]

No where in that does it say "Vega is an evolution of Polaris", you didn't even read your own link, what it does say is this..



Polaris indeed... lol. every aspect of it is different.

Now you have been proven wrong you are just backtracking on what you are claiming. Of course the 5th generation GCN has difference to earlier generations, that is called evolution of an architecture. If you are going to go down the path that any changes make it a new architecture then every single GPU release apart form the rebrands are new architectures.

 

[AlamoX]

Believe it when I see it..

1ms just think about that for a second.. Mobile Internet has to travel from you to a network dish then to the data center and then out to the Internet.
I have tried 4G for gaming and seen over 800ms ping
5G needs to be something special.

5G is supposed to be revolution in tele-communication, even if it's not possible to provide all devices with 1ms, the latency would still be lower than what ethernet or wifi offers us today, and you can't really compare it to 4G, it's like comparing bluetooth with Wifi, the possibilities that opens for real life applications are far greater.
getting out of topic though, so to get back to topic, yes AMD seem to have a very well tuned architecture for the transition to game streaming, they have APUs, and for the servers used to stream games, the HBCC with Vea and it's 512TB memory , and sacable navi makes it a perfect fit