AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

[Phixsator]

It doesn't make sense from GCN1.3 shown alone. Even if it was the cut down version, that doesn't add up.

Also HBM2 at 1000Mhz or 2000MHz also doesn't add up.

HBM2 on the NVIDIA P100 tesla and GP100 Quadro are 1.4Gbps, where as AMD will be using 1.6 and 2.0Gbps. Nowhere is it rated at a Mhz value, even in the JEDEC published specifications.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9969/jedec-publishes-hbm2-specification

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10527/sk-hynix-adds-hbm2-4-gb-memory-q3

There is that to. I was more pointing towards the whole slower than a 1080 headline that was going on.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Something to look forward to with Vega, Dawn of War 3 once again showing AMD has some juice left in it!
The Fury X is on the heels of the GTX 1080 at all resolutions, and 480 is pulling away of the GTX 1060, and 3fps behind a stock 980Ti for minimums at 1080p

I can see AMD using this as one of the titles in their in-house benchmarking for the Vega launch event.

https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews...0_000_dawn_of_war_iii_pc_performance_review/9

 

[queamin]

The minimums are good as well.

 

[hyperseven]

Spoiler

Something to look forward to with Vega, Dawn of War 3 once again showing AMD has some juice left in it!
The Fury X is on the heels of the GTX 1080 at all resolutions, and 480 is pulling away of the GTX 1060, and 3fps behind a stock 980Ti for minimums at 1080p

I can see AMD using this as one of the titles in their in-house benchmarking for the Vega launch event.

https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews...0_000_dawn_of_war_iii_pc_performance_review/9

Max (no AA) is not max now is it? Where are the graphs for max settings as we would normally expect?

 

[AllBodies]

5% off of a 1080 at 1080p. Probably posted already.

TDP of 225W could be a consideration for me as the cooler the better as my case doesn't have great cooling.

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So the take away from that article is maybe AMD are aiming for the 4k market. It would put the cat amongst the pigeons if AMD made 4k gaming more mainstream. Only issue with this is this would only be in highly AMD optimised games. I cant imagine a Vega card doing well across a whole lot of Gameworks titles at 4k.

Also all the game demos we've seen so far have been 4k!

Except, if you look at what they've done, they guessed it has a boost clock of 1200 MHz, and then aligned the "relative performance" graphs based on Tflops.

So that article literally says "RX Vega, at 1200 MHz, has 5% less Tflops than GTX 1080 at ~1900 MHz".

Great article.....

 

[opethdisciple]

What I meant by my comment earlier was a Vega within 5% of a 1080 at £350 would be a great card compared to the Nvidia prices.

 

[Doom112]

Something to look forward to with Vega, Dawn of War 3 once again showing AMD has some juice left in it!
The Fury X is on the heels of the GTX 1080 at all resolutions, and 480 is pulling away of the GTX 1060, and 3fps behind a stock 980Ti for minimums at 1080p

I can see AMD using this as one of the titles in their in-house benchmarking for the Vega launch event.

https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews...0_000_dawn_of_war_iii_pc_performance_review/9

This is a much better benchmark of Dawn of war 3 with AA enabled.
http://www.pcgamer.com/dawn-of-war-3-performance-analysis/

 

[V F]

The game is graphically demanding, with my GTX 1080 and i7 4770, i'm getting FPS drops when there's a lot of on-screen action, everything set to Ultra @ 1080p and AA set to Max.

I guess i will just use PC Gamer's settings, with AA set to 'low' and see how the game performs, iirc when i first installed the game, it automatically detects the best settings for your PC, and my AA was automatically set to 'low' with other details set to 'High', thanks for this article PC Gamer.

Yet they said 1080 and Ti is overkill for 1920 monitors.

 

[AlamoX]

This is a much better benchmark of Dawn of war 3 with AA enabled.
http://www.pcgamer.com/dawn-of-war-3-performance-analysis/

you mean this AA ? what's the point of a having a setting that practicaly eats up 60% of your performance, at best leave it at low if you dont turn it off.
beside the performance difference between RX480 and GTX1080 should be around 70% not 20%, the game need Nvidia driver optimisation, and probably from AMD too to tackle the AA performance hit.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Max (no AA) is not max now is it? Where are the graphs for max settings as we would normally expect?

The AA in the game is horrific! It really shouldn't be used, as it strips away all the granularity and detail. It just looks better when in play without it.

I've over 10 hours in it, and I would never touch the AA in there again really. It's like the AA in Battlefleet Gothic: Armada all over again.

Here's with no AA, all other settings at Max.

With High AA for that smooth cinematic vaseline ~30fps

 

[AlamoX]

does warhammer 40k have DX12 or is it just DX11 ?

 

[nashathedog]

The existing 580 should be dealing with that end, perhaps not always perfectly or on ultra but seems a fair point ultra is not required for games to look good

I found a video on Youtube a couple of weeks ago which was about how the visuals and the difference between settings has changed.
One example was Crysis 1, when comparing low settings to very high settings the difference was night and day,
Doing the same with a 2016/2017 game the difference seemed minimal in compariso,
My conclusion was that dropping a few settings on a modern game does not impact it enough to worry about.

I can't remember who's video it was but a quick search gives low V very high videos of Crysis 1 and Crysis 3 which show how things have changed in recent years.
At the end of the day if you have to drop a setting or two for whatever reason so what?

Crysis 1

Crysis 3

1m22s on Crysis 3 gives a good example while 5m02s on Crysis 1 does too.

 

[TNA]

The AA in the game is horrific! It really shouldn't be used, as it strips away all the granularity and detail. It just looks better when in play without it.

I've over 10 hours in it, and I would never touch the AA in there again really. It's like the AA in Battlefleet Gothic: Armada all over again.

Here's with no AA, all other settings at Max.

With High AA for that smooth cinematic vaseline ~30fps

"Yeah but if you do not have AA on, then you are not playing the game maxed out. If not maxed out then what's the point? I did not pay loads of money for a top end card if I cannot. I would rather not play if I cannot max out a game!"

That seems to be how many think these days. So many settings these days make image quality worse and in the process robs you of fps. Always worth tinkering to see what is best.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

does warhammer 40k have DX12 or is it just DX11 ?

It's a DX11 game from what I could find, and it's using the Essence Engine 4.0

"Yeah but if you do not have AA on, then you are not playing the game maxed out. If not maxed out then what's the point? I did not pay loads of money for a top end card if I cannot. I would rather not play if I cannot max out a game!"

That seems to be how many think these days. So many settings these days make image quality worse and in the process robs you of fps. Always worth tinkering to see what is best.

Seems to be the case, I remembering googling why Battlefleet Gothic was so blurry, and why the ships had no details compared to all the visuals shown off. Turns out it was the nasty AA used by the developers.

Screenshot of just looking up Gothic and blurry ships; what was the solution? Turn off the AA

Spoiler

The AA in DoW 3 is the same; it's there, but it looks terrible. It's decent for zooming in and taking the odd screenshot, but even then you can see how it blurs and smears the fine detail on the models.
Never mind the performance hit.

Edit: Watched Total Biscuit's video on the game and he noticed the same thing as myself.

 

[TNA]

It's a DX11 game from what I could find, and it's using the Essence Engine 4.0




Seems to be the case, I remembering googling why Battlefleet Gothic was so blurry, and why the ships had no details compared to all the visuals shown off. Turns out it was the nasty AA used by the developers.

Screenshot of just looking up Gothic and blurry ships; what was the solution? Turn off the AA

Spoiler

The AA in DoW 3 is the same; it's there, but it looks terrible. It's decent for zooming in and taking the odd screenshot, but even then you can see how it blurs and smears the fine detail on the models.
Never mind the performance hit.

Edit: Watched Total Biscuit's video on the game and he noticed the same thing as myself.

That is just one of many settings used in games these days that image quality worse and cost fps to do it. That is one of the reasons why I like high PPI monitors as you can get away with not having aa on much easier. It also means even better graphics instead of this blurry vaseline effect.

Hopefully Vega has very good 4K performance

 

[hyperseven]

you mean this AA ? what's the point of a having a setting that practicaly eats up 60% of your performance, at best leave it at low if you dont turn it off.
beside the performance difference between RX480 and GTX1080 should be around 70% not 20%, the game need Nvidia driver optimisation, and probably from AMD too to tackle the AA performance hit.

yeah, what's the point of running a benchmark that pushes the GPU....pointless

 

[Panos]

The AA in the game is horrific! It really shouldn't be used, as it strips away all the granularity and detail. It just looks better when in play without it.

I've over 10 hours in it, and I would never touch the AA in there again really. It's like the AA in Battlefleet Gothic: Armada all over again.

Here's with no AA, all other settings at Max.

With High AA for that smooth cinematic vaseline ~30fps

I completely agree with you. You will get better performance and AA if you use the overwriting settings on both NV & AMD control panel.

Same applies to many games even the likes of Elder Scrolls Online or World of Tanks or World of Warships or SWTOR (and list is long). By not using AA makes everything looking great, but turning it on from the game settings looks fuzzy and terrible.
However by applying it externally, barely hits the performance and all the above looking gorgeous.


FYI On DOW3 the graphics look the same with the WH40K Dark Nexus Arena......
Edit : Actually I could have swear look the same game.....

Anyhow, to bring back the discussion on topic, I do not believe Vega would have issues even with the broken engine of that game.

Look at the Radeon Instinct Vega MI25. That is bit more than 12% faster than the Titan X Pascal (the old one) at 1525Mhz clock, in pure tflops count (is 25tflop FP16, 12.5TFlop FP32). So we expect the normal Vega cards at least 1600 base clock. Which if drivers are correct from the start, beat by a good margin both the 1080Ti and the TXp (new one).

 

[N19h7m4r3]

That is just one of many settings used in games these days that image quality worse and cost fps to do it. That is one of the reasons why I like high PPI monitors as you can get away with not having aa on much easier. It also means even better graphics instead of this blurry vaseline effect.

Hopefully Vega has very good 4K performance

I completely agree with you. You will get better performance and AA if you use the overwriting settings on both NV & AMD control panel.

However by applying it externally, barely hits the performance and all the above looking gorgeous.

FYI On DOW3 the graphics look the same with the WH40K Dark Nexus Arena......
Edit : Actually I could have swear look the same game.....

Yup, it's actually extremely annoying, and for the normal gamer it really tarnished their experience. Very few even know about Driver AA levels, or SMAA injections.

What I would like is a shift away from FXAA, and even Temporal AA forms.

I like high PPI as well, and my next will probably being a 4K 144hz monitor once those are readily available without costing as much as most entire systems.

As for Dark Nexus Arena, I can't really find much on the game. Seems it was pulled from Steam, and online sales. Although from the few videos I saw, I could see the similarities in visuals.

yeah, what's the point of running a benchmark that pushes the GPU....pointless

Depends on the benchmark and if it's actually useful.

That's like running Crysis 2 with even more added Tessellation that just destroys performance, but adds nothing visually.

The AA in this game detracts from the visuals, it doesn't improve it sadly; while at the same time hamstringing performance by well over 50%.

I'm all for cool graphics, and effects; I loved Hairworks in Witcher 3 and couldn't stand playing without it. It was extremely demanding, but it it added to the games visuals and experience. It also didn't reduce performance by 70% on the top end graphics cards, while lowering overall visuals throughout the game.

 

[Panos]

Yup, it's actually extremely annoying, and for the normal gamer it really tarnished their experience. Very few even know about Driver AA levels, or SMAA injections.

What I would like is a shift away from FXAA, and even Temporal AA forms.

I like high PPI as well, and my next will probably being a 4K 144hz monitor once those are readily available without costing as much as most entire systems.

As for Dark Nexus Arena, I can't really find much on the game. Seems it was pulled from Steam, and online sales. Although from the few videos I saw, I could see the similarities in visuals.

I played the game during beta for a year. The graphics look exactly the same on high settings

And some conspiracy theory.... DOW 3 was announced May 2016 just 6 weeks after the canning of the Dark Nexus Arena who had a year beta, and wasn't that bad game after all.

Much better MOBA than the TW Area, which had become an archers fest.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

I played the game during beta for a year. The graphics look exactly the same on high settings

And some conspiracy theory.... DOW 3 was announced May 2016 just 6 weeks after the canning of the Dark Nexus Arena who had a year beta, and wasn't that bad game after all.

Much better MOBA than the TW Area, which had become an archers fest.

Could be the case, ya never know. Must say, I have been enjoying the Campaign. The world could do with more Warhammer 40K.
Still waiting for Space Marine 2.