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AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1
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I don't know what people are getting upset about. This is par for the course and expected. However with this much of a wait, how good these cards will acutally be is pulled into question. They would be releasing effectively a year after the 1000 series by Nvidia. Thus folks would expect them to be significantly better, in both performance and price.
But I'm doubtful. Especially going on what they currently have. The 480 is at 390 prices currently, awfully close to the much more powerful 980ti/1070. It won't be all that much better than what Nvidia offers. I think the hopes are that AMD will release a card more powerful than the 1080. But the chance of such a card releasing at 1080 prices or better (cheaper) are slim. I mean just look at the Fury X for an example. It couldn't consistently beat a 980ti, despite being of a similar price point.
I won't expect much. But I'd sure be glad if my predicvtions were wrong (and things turn out better).
But I'm doubtful. Especially going on what they currently have. The 480 is at 390 prices currently, awfully close to the much more powerful 980ti/1070. It won't be all that much better than what Nvidia offers. I think the hopes are that AMD will release a card more powerful than the 1080. But the chance of such a card releasing at 1080 prices or better (cheaper) are slim. I mean just look at the Fury X for an example. It couldn't consistently beat a 980ti, despite being of a similar price point.
I won't expect much. But I'd sure be glad if my predicvtions were wrong (and things turn out better).
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Works well for me as timing in that I don't expect to be rebuilding till mid next year anyway, though I guess having a bit of time to see how they go after first release drivers etc would be nice to really tell which option is the best at the time.
Judging from a bunch of threads like how old is your primary card ones etc a lot of people are in the mid range even on here. In this area the 470 has no NVIDIA rival and the 480 looks a good bet vs the 1060 as it's cheaper and faster in the newer titles while being right on the heels of the 1060 in older titles - your choice if you want the even cheaper 4GB or the extra VRAM over the 1060, personally for my needs the 4GB would get the nod as I've no plans on increasing res any time soon but I know others feel differently. So hardly irrelevant. Also if the 480 didn't exist do you think the 1060 would be the price it is or more expensive? Even if we pick the 1060 over the 480 it was still relevant for forcing NVIDIAs price point to be at least moderately competitive.
Judging from a bunch of threads like how old is your primary card ones etc a lot of people are in the mid range even on here. In this area the 470 has no NVIDIA rival and the 480 looks a good bet vs the 1060 as it's cheaper and faster in the newer titles while being right on the heels of the 1060 in older titles - your choice if you want the even cheaper 4GB or the extra VRAM over the 1060, personally for my needs the 4GB would get the nod as I've no plans on increasing res any time soon but I know others feel differently. So hardly irrelevant. Also if the 480 didn't exist do you think the 1060 would be the price it is or more expensive? Even if we pick the 1060 over the 480 it was still relevant for forcing NVIDIAs price point to be at least moderately competitive.
Soldato
For them I suspect its all about ZEN. If that is good it will have a big knock on effect to the rest of the company. A good ZEN will mean good top end gpus Imo. A bad ZEN and it's the end of AMD in it's current form.
Given the fact the shares have almost hit $8 from a low of $1.6 they must be gaining a bit of traction.
You are 100% right. If AMD manage a success with Zen then everything for AMD will go smoothly and if Zen is a fail then everything, that launches later is a failure no matter how much good it is.
Its already shown to be good.
There is no way AMD and Lisa Su would display anything if the ZEN cpu didnt perform as expected.
It does.
The good thing is the nm race shrink is slowing down way down so AMD is in a good position with Zen.
Vega is the eight day of wonder coming our way.
Got games to play
I dont know about all that.
If
1) Vega releases earlier in 2017 than June/July
2) Nvidia does not have Volta ready to go that year as some have rumored(which goes against Nvidia's own roadmap)
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3) Vega actually does deliver on the promises that Polaris was to have in terms of efficiency
I think AMD could definitely still be quite relevant.
However, if any of these things dont come true, they are going to have a hard time. At the very least, we do know that Vega is an enthusiast-targeted GPU lineup, so they will at the very least be providing *some* kind of high end offerings. And I wouldn't be so quick to write them off this early. They'll have the added benefit of more development time and likely improved yields from 14nm chips, so even if it's not a Titan X-destroyer, could still provide an entirely competitive and attractive product.
Of course they would. Just because your product isn't good doesn't mean you dont still try and sell it.Its already shown to be good.
There is no way AMD and Lisa Su would display anything if the ZEN cpu didnt perform as expected.
I'm not saying Zen wont be good, but them advertising it is a necessity, not some sign of major confidence. They have a lot riding on Zen and cant just be silent about it.
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Its already shown to be good.
There is no way AMD and Lisa Su would display anything if the ZEN cpu didnt perform as expected.
It does.
The good thing is the nm race shrink is slowing down way down so AMD is in a good position with Zen.
Vega is the eight day of wonder coming our way.
Got games to play
Until we see the performance figures maybe this video can help you !!!
They did same with Bulldozer and Fury X and look what it turns out be. It all most made AMD go bankrupt.
So because if those two products, everything they do will be exactly the same from now on? :/
Soldato
The Fury X has nothing to do with AMDs situation, its a niche product..
Bulldozer was not a niche product so its sales or lack of have a far more dramatic effect.
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Caporegime
wait for 3rd party reviews. AMD always over hype products in their investors call.
Caporegime
I know that, none the less Blender is a reall application, what's more it depends on Floating Point performance, where the old FX is weakest vs Intel.
Beating Broadwell on IPC in Blender is significant.
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Soldato
Hoping for a Nano v2, 6GB / 8GB HBM 2.0 would be very nice. This current Nano's performance just seem to keep getting better with every driver. Seen it up there with the big boys in latest GPU reviews for other cards. Very impressed. A die shrink, more HBM and some extra cores would be tremendous. Make it happen AMD xD
Man of Honour
Throw a Pascal Titan into the motherboard and see how efficient Zen runs.
A 6950X is not a fantastic CPU for gaming because it has 10/20 cores/threads. It is great for gaming because it can trade blows with a 6700k on individual cores/threads for efficiency.
AMDs target has to be to make their CPUs more efficient.
How Zen stacks up I don't know but will be interested to see.
The last thing I want to see ever again is something like "why does my Vega GPU bottleneck with the latest Zen CPU compared to my mates 6700k".
Yeah because other companies are so well known for saying "nah don't bother buying it, its a ****" when talking about their products in investor calls.....
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Soldato
Ah wow that is very impressive if that's final TDP.
Got good feelings about Zen, so disappointment is inevitable
Na I think this gonna be good..
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