AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

[Panos]

Guys the Vega cards aren't going to have 16GB HBM2.
First because nothing is using that much memory, second don't forget the texture compression of the HBM1, AMD managed to pull, making 4GB HBM1 sufficient even at 4K resolutions.

8GB HBM2 more likely.

 

[five8five]

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There's no need for that. He's entitled to his opinion like, me and everyone else.

Vega will have to match/beat a 1080 or it will be a massive failure.

Agreed. AMD will so far behind Nvidia if it doesn't.

I'm concerned though due to the last two releases. AMD managed to shoot themselves in the foot each time and the hype surrounding the releases was unbelievable but products didn't match it so I'm wary about getting too excited.

 

[Griffildur]

Guys the Vega cards aren't going to have 16GB HBM2.
First because nothing is using that much memory, second don't forget the texture compression of the HBM1, AMD managed to pull, making 4GB HBM1 sufficient even at 4K resolutions.

8GB HBM2 more likely.

there are some references around such as in this article : http://www.fudzilla.com/news/graphics/41724-vega-10-with-hbm2-to-launch-this-year

No idea how trustworthy that can be though.

 

[Rroff]

I'm concerned though due to the last two releases. AMD managed to shoot themselves in the foot each time and the hype surrounding the releases was unbelievable but products didn't match it so I'm wary about getting too excited.

After the last few releases you can't exactly consider the AMD hype credible let alone believe it.

 

[bru]

I see that was another article that lists the 490 at just under 10 T FLOPS, that is not good, about the performance of two RX470's which certainly won't get the job done.

Let's hope that isn't correct.

 

[Geck0]

Guys the Vega cards aren't going to have 16GB HBM2.
First because nothing is using that much memory, second don't forget the texture compression of the HBM1, AMD managed to pull, making 4GB HBM1 sufficient even at 4K resolutions.

8GB HBM2 more likely.

Hard to say, but you really need to go with 4 separate stacks of HMB around the die, so given HBM2 can be far denser it could be 8 or 16. On one hand 8 could be enough given the throughput or they could be on a mission to smash it to get past the recent underwhelming releases and just eat some profit to come out the gate with a double down.

Or there could be 8 and 16 depending on SKU. That would make more sense.

It's not Polaris, it's a new arch so my bet is at least 1080 level perf in DX11 and obliteration in DX12 / selected titles like Doom Vulcan. Time will tell and we are getting pretty close.

 

[Griffildur]

After the last few releases you can't exactly consider the AMD hype credible let alone believe it.

you can actually apply that to a lot of things these days not just AMD. There's a lot of hype around every tech release, be it hardware or games. You can't believe any hype at all. I am not pre-ordering anything anymore. Just wait and see, wait for reviews and see what happens.

 

[Rroff]

you can actually apply that to a lot of things these days not just AMD. There's a lot of hype around every tech release, be it hardware or games. You can't believe any hype at all. I am not pre-ordering anything anymore. Just wait and see, wait for reviews and see what happens.

True - but some of the AMD stuff has been quite specific and utterly fallen flat on its face - sadly a lot of it has been deleted now but some will probably remember the hype ping-pong between AMD employees and Dice employees before the 290 and FX launches, etc. and lets not mention the other one heh.

 

[Dave2150]

In a way I don't feel like HBM2 is going to be actually useful at all. Imagine HBM2 memory on the Pascal cards and then imagine the price of that combo. Heck we're still complaining about the prices of Generation 10. Just look how much that Fury cost with its HBM memory.

It would make for a great laugh, if Vega does come with HBM2 and a crazy price as a result. Pretty sure it's not going to help AMD at all, even if the card is better than a 1080 ( and I don't believe it will be anywhere near that level of performance, I'd be amazed if it's anywhere near 1070 to be honest ).

If HBM2 wasn't 'useful', NVIDIA wouldn't have used it on their most powerful GPU to date, the GP100.

HBM2 enables far higher memory bandwidth and far lower power usage, which enable a significantly faster GPU overall.

 

[Jono8]

TBH other then faster then say a 480x we have no idea where Vega will be

I think it is completely beyond the realms of possibility that they are making a whole new architecture in vega to sit between 480 and 1070 performance.

If big vega is not faster than a 1070, I will eat my hat

I know people are talking about recent AMD disappointments and trying not to overhype it, but if Vega is not faster than a 1070 it will be failure of epic proportions. I can't see it happening.

 

[Griffildur]

If HBM2 wasn't 'useful', NVIDIA wouldn't have used it on their most powerful GPU to date, the GP100.

HBM2 enables far higher memory bandwidth and far lower power usage, which enable a significantly faster GPU overall.

My point was mainly in regards to the premium it adds to the product. AMD needs something powerful with the Vega release which is actually appealing to a lot of people not just the most hardcore enthusiasts. I expect them to have multiple products some with HBM2 some without possibly more than one version of the same card. That will allow them to cover a lot of price ranges which could actually work out very well for them and us.

 

[triss]

Faster than a Fury X, surely?

See i forgot about furys' but yes fury x performance + a bit more hopefully, like how the 480x's basically replaced the 390's

 

[nashathedog]

See i forgot about furys' but yes fury x performance + a bit more hopefully, like how the 480x's basically replaced the 390's

The top Vega cards need to be a good bit faster than the Fiji cards, like 50% or it won't have the wow factor of a good release. If it's beating a 1080 that'd be great if not it'll still be my upgrade option but it will be a bit meh.

 

[DazQ87]

The top Vega cards need to be a good bit faster than the Fiji cards, like 50% or it won't have the wow factor of a good release. If it's beating a 1080 that'd be great if not it'll still be my upgrade option but it will be a bit meh.

Pretty much, I want to upgrade my fury-x, but if I cant get 40-50% performance for £500-£600 then I'll probably be waiting a while longer

 

[Bonjour]

290/390X crossfire performance on a single card and I'll be happy.

 

[r7slayer]

The top Vega cards need to be a good bit faster than the Fiji cards, like 50% or it won't have the wow factor of a good release. If it's beating a 1080 that'd be great if not it'll still be my upgrade option but it will be a bit meh.

Yea it's not unreasonable to expect somewhere up there tbh for big Vega. It feels like ages since the Fury X was released.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Pretty much, I want to upgrade my fury-x, but if I cant get 40-50% performance for £500-£600 then I'll probably be waiting a while longer

Same here, Vega needs to delivery, not just for us; but also AMD themselves.

I certainly hope it competes well.

 

[TheRealDeal]

See i forgot about furys' but yes fury x performance + a bit more hopefully, like how the 480x's basically replaced the 390's

Actually the RX480 replaced the 380x not the 390. The RX480 is much faster than the 380x. The 380x launched at $229 similar to the $200 and $239 launch price of the Rx480.

 

[SiDeards73]

So tempted to just buy a card today to tide me over til Vega, been looking to replace my 290 for WoW, PoExile, D3, Division, Elder Scrolls Online and im thinking either a Fury, or the GTR Black Edition 480... also and i hate to say it, the Zotac 1070 looks appealing too, i'd lose Freesync with that option though.

 

[Dave2150]

So tempted to just buy a card today to tide me over til Vega, been looking to replace my 290 for WoW, PoExile, D3, Division, Elder Scrolls Online and im thinking either a Fury, or the GTR Black Edition 480... also and i hate to say it, the Zotac 1070 looks appealing too, i'd lose Freesync with that option though.

Not worth upgrading from a 290X to a Fury (air cooled model with disabled shaders). It would be 10-15% faster at best, hardly worth the expense IMO.

I opted for a 1070 to tide me over until Vega launches.