AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

Rroff · 27 Nov 2016 at 05:22

r7slayer said:
There are different variants of 480 too. I never got how you always made out your 780 to be magical. Your 780 was faster than a 780Ti and just as fast as a 980 from how you go off. I remember when you was telling me your 780 was faster than my 290x at 1200Mhz which i found hard to believe.

780GHz edition boosting just short of 1200MHz out the box put it at stock 780ti performance, at 1300MHz it used to (and in some cases still does) match a stock 980 until more recent shader optimisations got more out of Maxwell. There are plenty of release reviews showing it at the time considerably faster than the OC model 290X - obviously the 290X has made up much of that ground today.

Shortly before I changed to the 1070 it was still holding its own in all but a small number of the latest titles against a friends overclocked 290X.

Its not just a different variant - the b1 780s are a respun core which at the extreme end of the scale can be capable of quite a bit higher clocks than the average a1 780.

flopper · 27 Nov 2016 at 07:40

Nothing Nvidia has made is great.
it slows down in performance over time being a worse buy the longer you own it.
980ti owners buy 480 due to them understand the value amd offers them.

Its why people waiting for Vega to buy something that has value over time not just in the PR department and added tax.

triss · 27 Nov 2016 at 08:17

flopper said:
Nothing Nvidia has made is great.
it slows down in performance over time being a worse buy the longer you own it.
980ti owners buy 480 due to them understand the value amd offers them.

Its why people waiting for Vega to buy something that has value over time not just in the PR department and added tax.

Would you care to list all the 980ti owners that upgraded to 480's? :rolleyes:

AMD users ( and some nvidia ones) are waiting for VEGA simply due to AMD doesnt have a card atm to compete at the high end.
Hopefully Vega will be that solution

DarrenM343 · 27 Nov 2016 at 08:52

flopper said:
Nothing Nvidia has made is great.
it slows down in performance over time being a worse buy the longer you own it.
980ti owners buy 480 due to them understand the value amd offers them.

Its why people waiting for Vega to buy something that has value over time not just in the PR department and added tax.

Don't think anyone has said the cards slow down with time - think some have manipulated what others have said due to their preferences. AMD cards are supposed to improve with time but again what this means depends on how you look at it and your preferences. I believe this is because Nvida cards are better optimised from the beginning and AMD struggle to optimise their software to their architecture which is actually quite negative for AMD. AMD for sure wouldn't want this either - they'd want a card to be as fast as it can straight away because that what buyers want. They don't want to buy a 980 level card that one day might be 980 Ti level performance. I don't think they'd improve that much anyway but just giving an example.

Once a card is fully optimised there's not much more to squeeze out of it. If you can, then it wasn't very optimised. GOes with most things in life really, fitness, performance and efficiency of machines etc

Have ti owners really been buying 480's? a slower card. It's probably a stop-gap until the next Ti arrives

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Some of the comments do make me laugh on these forums, mostly around AMD vs Nvidia. It makes me realise how for example religious strong beliefs become so. I just hope it doesn't breed Nvidia and AMD terrorist groups

Tommy_Here · 27 Nov 2016 at 09:03

DarrenM343 said:
Don't think anyone has said the cards slow down with time - think some have manipulated what others have said due to their preferences. AMD cards are supposed to improve with time but again what this means depends on how you look at it and your preferences. I believe this is because Nvida cards are better optimised from the beginning and AMD struggle to optimise their software to their architecture which is actually quite negative for AMD. AMD for sure wouldn't want this either - they'd want a card to be as fast as it can straight away because that what buyers want. They don't want to buy a 980 level card that one day might be 980 Ti level performance. I don't think they'd improve that much anyway but just giving an example.

Once a card is fully optimised there's not much more to squeeze out of it. If you can, then it wasn't very optimised. GOes with most things in life really, fitness, etc

Have ti owners really been buying 480's? a slower card. It's probably a stop-gap until the next Ti arrives

Couldn't agree anymore to what you've said.
Regarding 980 Ti owners 'upgrading' to a 480 if anyone has done that it'd be a stopgap I was about to sell my Ti and pick up a 780 non Ti for £80 though ended up keeping the Ti and buying another one because sod it

I just hope upcoming resident evil 7 works well at 4K and dead rising 4 though I'm waiting for it to come out on steam which is 90 days from 6th Dec so 1080 Ti will be out by then

Griffildur · 27 Nov 2016 at 09:19

flopper said:
Nothing Nvidia has made is great.
it slows down in performance over time being a worse buy the longer you own it.
980ti owners buy 480 due to them understand the value amd offers them.

Its why people waiting for Vega to buy something that has value over time not just in the PR department and added tax.

most people have no idea what they are buying, will just get what a friend recommends, pay a few quid and let it run forever. As for the statement that 980ti users buy 480, that is so not true and I am genuinely surprised to see it used as an argument. No one would pay for such a drop in performance ...

Geck0 · 27 Nov 2016 at 09:47

Yet another AMD product thread that has ended up being derailed and discussing of all things 780 & 980 series cards from nVidia.

Don't you guys have anything else to do?

Erik13 · 27 Nov 2016 at 10:05

Geck0 said:
Yet another AMD product thread that has ended up being derailed and discussing of all things 780 & 980 series cards from nVidia.

Don't you guys have anything else to do?

The most informative post of this useless thread

nashathedog · 27 Nov 2016 at 10:14

If a 490 does release in December it wouldn't surprise me if it was a dual Polaris chip and they market it as being specifically for VR. Then it would be priced so that it looks like a bargain compared to the Radeon Pro and don't forget AMD "wouldn't suggest you buy it for every day gaming" but many would buy it just to regret it.
It depends how forward thinking the Radeon group is, It may make them a few bucks in the short term but it would once again damage the brand name by focusing on mgpu which has a negative effect on the brand due to how unreliable it is.

Think about it, A few short months back loads of people were claiming DX12 was going to turn things around for mgpu yet it has had the opposite effect so far, It may eventually improve things but it's going to take years for that to become the case so for now another mgpu card will not do AMD any favours..

Griffildur · 27 Nov 2016 at 10:19

Erik13 said:
The most informative post of this useless thread

It's a discussion about a card we don't know much about so everything is supposition and guess. What did you expect?

tyler_jrb · 27 Nov 2016 at 10:29

flopper said:
Nothing Nvidia has made is great.
it slows down in performance over time being a worse buy the longer you own it.
980ti owners buy 480 due to them understand the value amd offers them.

Its why people waiting for Vega to buy something that has value over time not just in the PR department and added tax.

I can't think of ANYONE who would downgrade from a 980Ti to a 480 and loose 30-40% performance for the sake of £80 :rolleyes:

easyrider · 27 Nov 2016 at 10:39

tyler_jrb said:
I can't think of ANYONE who would downgrade from a 980Ti to a 480 and loose 30-40% performance for the sake of £80

Me neither...

Rroff · 27 Nov 2016 at 10:54

tyler_jrb said:
I can't think of ANYONE who would downgrade from a 980Ti to a 480 and loose 30-40% performance for the sake of £80

Some people did pre-emptively get rid of their 980tis while they were still commanding silly money second hand and subsequently bought a 480 as a stop gap while they were cheaper.

Griffildur · 27 Nov 2016 at 10:59

Rroff said:
Some people did pre-emptively get rid of their 980tis while they were still commanding silly money second hand and subsequently bought a 480 as a stop gap while they were cheaper.

that's not quite the same as what this statement says :

"980ti owners buy 480 due to them understand the value amd offers them."

Proto · 27 Nov 2016 at 11:09

Perhaps they know they'll end up with 980ti performance pretty soon, and with a couple of hundred pound in their pocket with no loss in value for the 480.

pmc25 · 28 Nov 2016 at 01:51

Pretty sure if there is a 490 in December it will be dual Polaris 10 chips on an interposer or similar structure. No secret that this is what AMD have intended to do for ages. Multi GPU but without the driver / engine headaches.

But I doubt we'll see anything before January, and this would be sooner than anyone expected the multiGPU, but singleGPU as far as the OS is concerned, product. Refreshed VEGA, NAVI or XB+ were the expected debut.

r7slayer · 28 Nov 2016 at 02:55

They was intending on doing that with navi not Polaris though.

MyBrainz · 28 Nov 2016 at 08:54

Geck0 said:
Yet another AMD product thread that has ended up being derailed and discussing of all things 780 & 980 series cards from nVidia.

Don't you guys have anything else to do?

Yep, i'm absolutely fed up of coming in this thread to check on any Vega updates, and all i see is ******* Nvidia all over it.

Honestly guys.. go somewhere else..

Why cant the Mods deal with this crap.

Geck0 · 28 Nov 2016 at 09:50

Griffildur said:
It's a discussion about a card we don't know much about so everything is supposition and guess. What did you expect?

Perhaps keep it on topic? Is it hard? The premise I mean.

If you want to worship at the altar of Jen, do it somewhere else. We don't flood your threads with nVidia cards catching fire spam, after all.

If you must respond do it on - topic, once it's released then start comparing it. Anything else is just a PITA, but up to you how you behave until a mod decides otherwise.

Rroff · 28 Nov 2016 at 09:55

pmc25 said:
Pretty sure if there is a 490 in December it will be dual Polaris 10 chips on an interposer or similar structure. No secret that this is what AMD have intended to do for ages. Multi GPU but without the driver / engine headaches.

But I doubt we'll see anything before January, and this would be sooner than anyone expected the multiGPU, but singleGPU as far as the OS is concerned, product. Refreshed VEGA, NAVI or XB+ were the expected debut.

Doesn't matter if they are on the same interposer or not, without a radical redesign of the hardware with controller/schedulers that can address multiple "headless" ICs (and I'm not even sure that would work well with the latencies involved with the longer data paths) you still have to do multi GPU at driver level and hope games don't do things to make them incompatible.