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AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
It isn't both him and his mate are purchase justifying their GTX780 cards in a Vega thread,and now making it out that the review sites are having some conspiracy between all of them to undersell the poor GTX780 and oversell the R9 290 series.

Wow,AMD has such awesome leet marketing skills they are forcing all the review sites to that.

What can poor Nvidia do?? :(

Both of them know very well,the 3GB limit itself will gimp the GTX780 anyway - they don't want to admit the R9 290 will last longer,since it reflects on their own purchase of the GTX780.

Maybe if they had a R9 290 it might have lasted them a tad,longer,thats why. It makes them feel better about their new puchase as being justified.

I think one of them was saying how great the FX5800 or FX5900 was or something a while back and how rubbish the 9700 PRO was so should have just ignored them.
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He has never played Doom, if he did he would know 150 FPS at those settings is GTX 1080 territory.
Or he's deliberately posting troll threads as fact hoping no one would notice.

1.5Ghz 970 ~85 FPS.

A 970 is equivalent to a 780TI in performance, way faster than the entry level big Kepler 780, so no way its getting 150 FPS where i get 85.

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humbug said:
He has never played Doom, if he did he would know 150 FPS at those settings is GTX 1080 territory.
Or he's deliberately posting troll threads as fact hoping no one would notice.
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With ultra settings 1440p getting ~130fps there on the 1070 so no way a 780 would with anything like those settings.

EDIT: Not running latest version of Vulkan though so possible it would be a bit higher with that.
 
humbug said:
He has never played Doom, if he did he would know 150 FPS at those settings is GTX 1080 territory.
Or he's deliberately posting troll threads as fact hoping no one would notice.

1.5Ghz 970 ~85 FPS.

A 970 is equivalent to a 780TI in performance, way faster than the entry level big Kepler 780, so no way its getting 150 FPS where i get 85.

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Reference 480 comparison at Ultra settings 1080P.

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https://youtu.be/FtjvzqPmHlc?t=6m4s
 
Kaapstad said:
I don't think the GTX780 has suddenly become slower or a bad card. What has changed is how people are using their cards.

These days there are a lot more people using higher resolution monitors and also there are a lot of new games that hog memory that have come over from consoles. Both of these things play more to the Hawaii cards strengths.
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I don't disagree - but anybody can see how the R9 290 series has used those advantages well,and maybe also since the consoles use GCN1.1,which meant there were games which could at launch look fine on a R9 290/R9 390 series card and a Fury kind of looked meh until patches. Look at the GTX1060 3GB,it has a faster core than a RX470 or GTX970,yet in certain newer games it hits big issues.

The worst thing is the GTX780 was like a $650 card(with many aftermarket ones costing more). The R9 290 came in at $400(Nvidia started cutting the price once they got wind of things) and matched it despite a craptastic cooler and probably immature drivers. At one point,a GTX780 was actually better value than a R9 290 since aftermarket GTX780 cards were being offered for £50 more with a few games and better coolers. GTX780 prices went down quite a bit.

Then once we had the aftermarket R9 290 cards from £300 onwards within two months or so(IIRC - might be wrong here as it might have been three months) after that.

So someone who bought one of those at that point,had a card which was competitive with a GTX780(I suspect the GTX780 might have been a bit faster for some of the better ones which were more expensive),but a year later when the GTX970 had been launched the GTX780 was starting to fall behind.

Then the GTX970 launched and was faster,but again within a year or so,probably more of the same(trading blows or being close to each other).

At this point the R9 290 series essentially saw off two generations of Nvidia cards,and even its own replacement in the Fury cards look rather unimpressive in comparison.

Now with the rebadged R9 290 series(faster VRAM and more VRAM),even the cards which have essentially replaced the R9 390 in the same price-range here(yes we have a weak pound now) are on average not massively faster.

Look at the pricing of the R9 390 series cards?? They went up when compared to the R9 290 series cards,FFS and stayed there. AMD then rebranded them and the price went up. I saw a few instances where GTX970 cards ended up being cheaper after that. If the cards didn't have the performance even by then it would not have happened IMHO OFC.

I can't think of any other range of cards for a very long time from ATI or AMD which has managed that.
 
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Whilst we're on the subject, I currently have a 780 but going to jump to an RX480 because I've got a FreeSync monitor coming for Christmas. Will I not see much of an improvement performance wise?
 
Spuddy said:
Whilst we're on the subject, I currently have a 780 but going to jump to an RX480 because I've got a FreeSync monitor coming for Christmas. Will I not see much of an improvement performance wise?
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I would expect in new games you will,but I suspect it will be another 2 pages of others saying it won't make any difference.

But FreeSync will smooth out any lower FPS drops within the range the monitor supports so,as a package yes.

This RX480 looks quite solid:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/powe...ddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-188-pc.html

MSI are doing 20% cashback on this card:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...ress-graphics-card-20-cashback-gx-32j-ms.html

The Powercolor has a stronger VRM. Both cards come with a copy of Civ6 too.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I would expect in new games you will,but I suspect it will be another 2 pages of saying it won't make any difference.

But FreeSync will smooth out any lower FPS drops within the range the monitor supports so,as a package yes.
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Thanks, do you think it would be of more benefit to wait for Vega instead?

I'll be playing at 2560 x 1080
 
Spuddy said:
Whilst we're on the subject, I currently have a 780 but going to jump to an RX480 because I've got a FreeSync monitor coming for Christmas. Will I not see much of an improvement performance wise?
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How big an increase you see will depend on the game(s) you play, resolution and the 780 you are running i.e much bigger jump from an ok boosting "stock" a1 780 than one of the good boosting b1 variants.
 
Spuddy said:
Thanks, do you think it would be of more benefit to wait for Vega instead?

I'll be playing at 2560 x 1080
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At qHD you will be hitting the VRAM limits of the GTX780 harder in newer games,so it should actually be more in favour of an RX480 and also in certain games Kepler is not so hot either. However,also you are also hitting GPU limits in certain games too.

Now,would Vega be better?? Probably but again how much it will be priced is another question and when it will actually be out.

If you look in my previous post those two RX480 8GB cards are the best value ones currently. Technically if you bought the MSI one it would be around £200ish and if you seel Civ6 for another £20 to £30,thats under £200.

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Look at some of the newest COD games for example:

http://gamegpu.com/images/stories/Test_GPU/Action/Call_of_Duty_Infinite_Warfare/new/сod__2560.png

An RX480 destroys even a GTX780TI in that game for example.

Even in Dishonoured 2 which is one of the better showings for Kepler for a while(also works better on NV cards too and has some issues on AMD cards but apparently some new patches are out soon),an RX480 is still faster than a GTX780TI:

http://gamegpu.com/images/stories/Test_GPU/Action/Dishonored_2_/d_1920.png
 
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I'll check out the PowerColor one, didn't realise it was classed as one of the good ones.

Yes Rroff, Im using a bog standard reference EVGA 780. I'll be playing at 2560 x 1080 also.

I play a lot of ARMA3 and Star Citizen.


The MSI one is tempting, I'll read some reviews. I've already sold my 780 and monitor to a friend for £160.

After selling Civ6 the MSI could potentially cost around £20-30 to upgrade. Not a massive fan of the red colour scheme though ha.

Would the MSI be ok in a H440 case, I heard they're a bit of a hot box? No issues with that currently as my 780 is a reference blower and just chucks it all out the back of the case.
 
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Spuddy said:
I'll check out the PowerColor one, didn't realise it was classed as one of the good ones.

Yes Rroff, Im using a bog standard reference EVGA 780. I'll be playing at 2560 x 1080 also.

I play a lot of ARMA3 and Star Citizen.


The MSI one is tempting, I'll read some reviews. I've already sold my 780 and monitor to a friend for £160.

After selling Civ6 the MSI could potentially cost around £20-30 to upgrade. Not a massive fan of the red colour scheme though ha.

Would the MSI be ok in a H440 case, I heard they're a bit of a hot box? No issues with that currently as my 780 is a reference blower and just chucks it all out the back of the case.
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Star Citizen is most likely going to be pushing the latest tech and CryEngine 3 runs reasonably OK on AMD cards. ARMA3,not too sure about - its an older engine in that game,so might be still OK on Kepler. Hard to say - but I suspect from what I heard its more CPU heavy.

PS2,is more CPU limited on my system than GPU limited and that has not changed much whether I had a GTX660,GTX960 or this GTX1080.
 
Ok thanks guys, really not sure what to do now. If there was possibility of Vega in Jan/Feb then I would wait. But dont want to be hanging on forever.
 
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