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Amd vs C2D choices choices ???

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well im looking at a new system as payday is aproaching :D
im a die hard ATI user and will never go Nvidia

im making a tough choice between a AM2 system or a C2D system as the dfi rd600 mobo is out for the C2D with no news on a am2 version im considering C2D iv allways used amd but im not a big fan on intel whats ppls experience with them both ?
 
B.T.W im a heavy pc gamer games like 2142 f.e.a.r css dow ect and im looking for a system to just slot a r600 into and im looking at getting 4gb of ram
 
C2D all the way presently, AMD are crap at the moment, unless you are on a tight budget, if your building a new gaming rig always go with C2D. With the performance they present compared to AMD and older Intel CPU's it would be foolish not to.

They overclock like anything, a couple of people on the forums have managed to overclock the E6600 to 4Ghz.

The E4300 is also noted as a good clocker, 3Ghz with ease.

Nvidia are very good at the moment, the 8800 is certainly very good. I saw a picture of R600 card the other day it was really long. :p

4GB RAM is IMO overkill, little use for it except video/image/scientific work, 2GB would be plenty and 3GB if your feeling particularly needy/bragging rights.
 
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The retail R600 will be 9.5 inches, shorter than the 8800GTX.

Anyway definitely go for the Core 2 Duo. It outperforms AMD clock for clock in every respect.

...and if you have the cash then 4gb of RAM isn't overkill IMO...especially if you will be running vista.
 
well im leaning atm towards an E6600 with possibly the rd600 dfi mobo as i like it and TBH 2gb of ram isnt much anymore 4gm is avg and as 4gb will cost me about £10-15 more than the 2gb i allready have in then its not really that costly its more of an investment

and looking at just the offical stats for the r600 its gonna toast the 8800 like a fly on a bug zapper as the r600 has true dx10 cmpatibility with its unified shader prosessors where as the g80 its just emulated dx10 so untill the 8900 the r600 is the card for me
 
i can understand not using any particular brand to a point. i however am quite content to look at the options at the time and pick the best one. i have had ATI and Nvidia cards over the years and had no issues with either, each at the time were respectivly the most bang i could get for the buck. it does suprise me slightly how some people are obsessed with a brand and wont ditch it even if someone brings something out that stomps it to the floor. granted the new ATI chips could be incredible so id be tempted to wait before upgrading the graphics card, but what are you going to do if the ati cards turn out to be absolute stinkers? just put up with a Language! card instead of looking at the problem logicaly and getting whichever card is best at that time for the money you have to spend?

also since when was 2gb the average? 2gb might be average for anyone who has done a rebuild in the last 6-12 months but even then only the hardcore will have put 2 gb in. only now with the introduction of vista and the faster C2Ds and gpus available has 2gb become the better choice over 1gb of the past. also where can you get 4gb of memory for only 15 quid more than 2gb?
 
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Todge said:
i can understand not using any particular brand to a point. i however am quite content to look at the options at the time and pick the best one. i have had ATI and Nvidia cards over the years and had no issues with either, each at the time were respectivly the most bang i could get for the buck. it does suprise me slightly how some people are obsessed with a brand and wont ditch it even if someone brings something out that stomps it to the floor. granted the new ATI chips could be incredible so id be tempted to wait before upgrading the graphics card, but what are you going to do if the ati cards turn out to be absolute stinkers? just put up with a **** card instead of looking at the problem logicaly and getting whichever card is best at that time for th emoney you have to spend?
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its more than just that the reason i dont like nvidia is atm the 8800 dx10 cards dont truly do what dx10 requires needing unified shaders for the true potential of dx10 to come out and plus there 1-2 dx10 games out atm so there no point im gonna wait for r600 possibly 8900 and crytek :D
 
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also since when was 2gb the average? 2gb might be average for anyone who has done a rebuild in the last 6-12 months but even then only the hardcore will have put 2 gb in. only now with the introduction of vista and the faster C2Ds and gpus available has 2gb become the better choice over 1gb of the past. also where can you get 4gb of memory for only 15 quid more than 2gb?
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since the release of battlefield 2, as i said above im a pc gamer 2gb just doesnt cut it anymore with vista and what im aiming for

and i was comparing the price differnce to what it cost me for 2x 1gb ddr400 dual channel kits of when i brought it as its a lot cheaper now
 
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also since when was 2gb the average? 2gb might be average for anyone who has done a rebuild in the last 6-12 months but even then only the hardcore will have put 2 gb in. only now with the introduction of vista and the faster C2Ds and gpus available has 2gb become the better choice over 1gb of the past. also where can you get 4gb of memory for only 15 quid more than 2gb?
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I have to agree with Todge. 2GB cuts it for any current game & most likely the vast majority for the next year or so. The only people who need to be considering more than 2GB are those who render very high-res 3D stills, photoshop power users etc (high-end content creation of cetain types). Vista will run fine with 1gb, 2gb if you're a high-end gamer. You could save a lot of cash getting 2* 1GB then when the 2GB sticks become reasonably priced, sell & upgrade.
 
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Ive just swapped from a 3500+ AM2 system to a E6300 Core 2 duo and im blown away by the differnce.

If youre not gaming then 1Gb of RAM is fine but if you are id recommend 2Gb :)
 
well i was planning on waiting a couple of weeks to hold out for the ocz 4gb dual channel kit thats due out soon as that would still give me upgrade potential for the future and last me till the next major upgrade would you reccomend water cooling for a C2D ?
 
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What are you using this machine for? How much money have you got? What parts have you got already?
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gaming and general use £800 i allready have a enermax galaxy 1kw, 2x74gb raptors, sata dvdrw, x1950pro, x-fi xtreme gamer, and a case for it all to go in

im looking at getting memory chip and mobo and possibly some w/c parts
 
In that case I would have to spec the usual sort of thing, which is

E6600 as the chip
Gigabyte DS3/DS4, Asus P5W DH, any 680 board
2gig of Geil 6400 (this stuff)

A mobo with a 680 chipset is the best choice but most expensive, then the asus. 4 gig is overkill, stick with 2gig of the geil. And a good cooler (zalman 9700/tuniq tower/ninja) or watercooling.

Will be a powerful beast of a system :D
 
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What are you using this machine for? How much money have you got? What parts have you got already?
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Very relevant questions ! Some people think that if they throw a ton of money at a system they will be safe from having to upgrade for years. More often than not, they will get better value for money from spending half the money now & half in 18 months time.
The E6600 is a solid choice. Nothing more expensive is likely to offer enough extra performance any time soon to be worth the extra expense.
Personally, I think the 8800GTs 640MB strikes the best price / performance area. It won't become outdated any time soon, which (MIGHT) be true of the 320MB version. I don't think the 8800GTX is worth £100 more. However, I'm not an expert in graphics cards, so do seek other advice.
I stand by what I said on the RAM, 2GB is PLENTY for now (Except for the exceptional types of user I listed) & upgrading in the future will work out cheaper. Don't forget, having more RAM than you need offers 0% performance increase, you only see an increase if you are running out of RAM.
I would argue the 'AMD not worth even considering' point but from the E6600 and higher point you are looking at it's broadly true, so I won't.
 
well im planning this machine as a major modding project as it will hopefully be my first w/c machine im looking at a mountin mods case to fit it in as there just so nice

regarding the ram what if i waited to get the new ocz 4gig kit (2x2gm sticks) thats comming soon ?
 
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